Posted by psap on 11/23/2013 7:55:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dublinuf on 11/23/2013 4:55:00 AM (view original):Yah, that why it sucks to be out. Details only known to those still remaining in the game.
Posted by psap on 11/23/2013 1:29:00 AM (view original):The 4-3 vote for Arfy started said action, but I digress.
wow. Good times! finally some action.
GL final four.
Basically, the loose discussion was to get rid of raiders at 7, hookem at 6 and Arfy at 5.
But the last time the talk came to eliminate one of his big allies, he had refused to vote for horvie at the last second and we had to go to a tiebreaker.
So, I was fairly certain at five that he would have used the idol he played last night on Arfy (which he would have, he already told me last night), and then one of the three of me, tsut and mb would be screwed. So, we voted with raiders and got rid of Arfy.
He retaliated by getting rid of tsut using hookem, which was possible because Tyson won the immunity challenge and didn't have to worry about himself. He got a bonus of mb not voting. Otherwise, tsut and I had already discussed voting 2 for hookem, 2 for pola and then if pola had played that idol on hookem, he would have essentially eliminated himself.
I would say it is a fun Final Four on all respects. Tyson and I have been working together since the very beginning but guarding ourselves with other allies because we both never 100 percent trust each other. My biggest ally was tsut and his was Arfy. My secondary allies were mb and raiders (well at least ever sense stalagna threw me tsut, pola and ahrens under the bus) and his at one point was horvie, potentially da_goat as well. I never talked much to either, so I can only be assured on my end.
I have no idea how the next vote will go no matter who wins immunity.
I play the game pretty simply, I want one of my allies or myself to win, because I think it is harder to guarantee a self win (and after the game csudak can confirm that I have consistently said that as long as tsut, pola, me or mb won (once he took stalagna's place at a key juncture) I would be happy. Of course, those opportunities got cut in half last night.
It's a crazy game. Always has been
I laugh at the people who believe Survivor is not about loyalty. It is extremely about loyalty. The tough part is figuring out who everyone is most loyal too. I believe Tyson was most loyal to Arfy and not me, so I engineered Arfy leaving. Tyson responded by believing that I was most loyal to tsut and not him (he was right by the by) and he eliminated tsut.
Win or lose, I think I probably played my best game. If Tyson wins the next immunity, I will probably lose. If he doesn't, after sleeping on it, I will have to vote for Tyson to go home, and I don't know if that will mean anything or not. But rest assured, I don't believe any notion that he wants to sit with me at the final 2. He wants to sit with someone else.
Personally, I think we are going to have a Final three because they are eliminating to eight jurors if we have a Final 2. On the other hand, they may be hoping for a tie so they can have a big challenge at the end.
So, I will now present the only way raiders and hookem can win this game.
If Tyson doesn't win immunity, I will vote for him. I am stating it publicly and I am expected that if I didn't that no one on the jury should ever vote for me to win.
If both of you vote for him as well and we all get to the Final 3 and I am right, then I think I have a good chance of winning. If we really are going to the Final 2, then beat me at immunity and the two of you vote together to eliminate me.
THAT IS YOUR BEST BET
The only way that hookem or raiders can win is to play each other at the end. I will hold no ill will toward either of you. For the record, if Tyson wins immunity, then you two have to vote with him against me. It is the only way you can win. Then you have to hope it isn't a Final 3 and eliminate Tyson with the next vote.
This is your path to winning. Just remember who was honest with you about that. I hope you both vote with me if Tyson doesn't win immunity. I understand that the tendency from hookem's perspective would be to stick with Tyson because Tyson just saved him, but he did that because of the Arfy blindside, not because he has a loyalty toward you.
Think it through. You have to eliminate one of us and hope it is a Final 2 and then eliminate the other one of us. I am willing to gamble at this point. I am going to take a stab to win now that my alliance is all watching after last night.
Best of luck to all. Fine with finishing fourth to try and come in first.