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10/5/2013 9:31 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/5/2013 7:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 10/4/2013 10:12:00 PM (view original):
and really when you think about what the Republicans are doing...they are hijacking the fabric of our political system.....this is a settled matter, or should be.  It's been upheld by the Supreme Court and is the law of the land...I have to change it to 95/5.  It's a terrible precedent to set and is going to do nothing but cause grief for themselves in the end.
Are all laws "good"?  If they have been legally passed and subsequently upheld as constitutional, should they always just be blindly accepted and unquestioned as being in the best interests of the country?

How did that work out for Prohibition?

Obamacare should never be considered a "settled matter" because it's the wrong solution to the wrong problem with respect to healthcare.
That's fine, do what has always been done to change things...win the next election and make the changes that your party believes are needed. Don't hold the country hostage. If its as terrible as you say, it will be changed, just like prohibition.
10/5/2013 10:22 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2013 8:38:00 AM (view original):
I'm in a giving mood, dumb_luck.

The shutdown is about taxes/budgeting/deficit.    The ACA is a ***** to fund(admittedly it may be cheaper in the future) so it's sort of taken certain stage but the problem is much bigger than that.   I don't think anyone objects to universal healthcare for all.  But you can't fund everything for everybody.  That's the message the GOP is trying to get across. 

You fashion yourself as some critical, free-thinker.   You're just a parrot for whatever liberal piece you read a few minutes ago.   Your next original thought will be your first.    You're funny.   In a sad way.
You realize that the ACA isn't universal health care, right?
10/5/2013 10:40 AM (edited)
Posted by The Taint on 10/5/2013 9:31:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/5/2013 7:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 10/4/2013 10:12:00 PM (view original):
and really when you think about what the Republicans are doing...they are hijacking the fabric of our political system.....this is a settled matter, or should be.  It's been upheld by the Supreme Court and is the law of the land...I have to change it to 95/5.  It's a terrible precedent to set and is going to do nothing but cause grief for themselves in the end.
Are all laws "good"?  If they have been legally passed and subsequently upheld as constitutional, should they always just be blindly accepted and unquestioned as being in the best interests of the country?

How did that work out for Prohibition?

Obamacare should never be considered a "settled matter" because it's the wrong solution to the wrong problem with respect to healthcare.
That's fine, do what has always been done to change things...win the next election and make the changes that your party believes are needed. Don't hold the country hostage. If its as terrible as you say, it will be changed, just like prohibition.
I agree, 100%.

But it's ludicrous to believe that the Democrats have played no more than a small role in the current shutdown.

What does it say when our beloved Democratic President is open to negotiations with Syria and Iraq, but not the Republican Party representatives of his own citizens?
10/5/2013 10:43 AM
What will it say when he's actually able to get something done with them....but not with Republicans? 

That's a losing GOP talking point.
10/5/2013 10:51 AM
What do you get out of this statement?  I don't hear anything about the good of the American citizenry in there.


Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

10/5/2013 10:52 AM
“This is not a time for compromise, and I can tell you that we will not compromise on our principles,” Boehner said.
10/5/2013 10:53 AM
Posted by The Taint on 10/5/2013 10:43:00 AM (view original):
What will it say when he's actually able to get something done with them....but not with Republicans? 

That's a losing GOP talking point.
Riddle me this, Batman.

How can you get something done with somebody when you refuse to talk?
10/5/2013 10:54 AM
Posted by The Taint on 10/5/2013 10:52:00 AM (view original):
“This is not a time for compromise, and I can tell you that we will not compromise on our principles,” Boehner said.
Isn't that EXACTLY what Obama is saying now?
10/5/2013 10:56 AM
Posted by The Taint on 10/5/2013 10:51:00 AM (view original):
What do you get out of this statement?  I don't hear anything about the good of the American citizenry in there.


Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

That's a three year old statement.  What relevance does it have now?

Are they trying to guarantee that Obama will not be a three-term President?
10/5/2013 11:04 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/5/2013 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 10/5/2013 10:43:00 AM (view original):
What will it say when he's actually able to get something done with them....but not with Republicans? 

That's a losing GOP talking point.
Riddle me this, Batman.

How can you get something done with somebody when you refuse to talk?
The talking is done.  The American political system, for good or bad, has been followed and the GOP lost.  If they want to repeal/defund the ACA, win the next election.  It's how it works in this country. 

Why is the constitution and laws of the land not to be followed now?  It's a hostage situation, and we don't deal with hostage takers. 

We can go round and round on this, just like BL and Biz, but I think we're smarter than that.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree. 

I don't see either of our minds being changed.
10/5/2013 4:24 PM
I can certainly agree to disagree.  BL can't, though.  He'll argue a point forever.  Case in point: the "age of the earth" argument with Biz.
10/6/2013 2:00 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/5/2013 10:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2013 8:38:00 AM (view original):
I'm in a giving mood, dumb_luck.

The shutdown is about taxes/budgeting/deficit.    The ACA is a ***** to fund(admittedly it may be cheaper in the future) so it's sort of taken certain stage but the problem is much bigger than that.   I don't think anyone objects to universal healthcare for all.  But you can't fund everything for everybody.  That's the message the GOP is trying to get across. 

You fashion yourself as some critical, free-thinker.   You're just a parrot for whatever liberal piece you read a few minutes ago.   Your next original thought will be your first.    You're funny.   In a sad way.
You realize that the ACA isn't universal health care, right?
Semantics, dumbass.

Do you still think the shutdown is about the ACA?
10/6/2013 5:20 PM
Not the target audience, but are you trying to claim the ACA DIDN'T play a major role in leading to the shutdown?
10/6/2013 7:48 PM
Do you not understand what "so it's sort of taken certain stage" means?

Which one of those words confuses you?
10/6/2013 8:44 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/6/2013 2:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/5/2013 10:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2013 8:38:00 AM (view original):
I'm in a giving mood, dumb_luck.

The shutdown is about taxes/budgeting/deficit.    The ACA is a ***** to fund(admittedly it may be cheaper in the future) so it's sort of taken certain stage but the problem is much bigger than that.   I don't think anyone objects to universal healthcare for all.  But you can't fund everything for everybody.  That's the message the GOP is trying to get across. 

You fashion yourself as some critical, free-thinker.   You're just a parrot for whatever liberal piece you read a few minutes ago.   Your next original thought will be your first.    You're funny.   In a sad way.
You realize that the ACA isn't universal health care, right?
Semantics, dumbass.

Do you still think the shutdown is about the ACA?
You mean "center" stage???

I thought it was a typo but then you repeated it.

The ACA has taken center stage because that's what this is about.
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