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3/11/2014 10:52 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:43:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:42:00 AM (view original):
I'll add that I'm not playing women's college softball.  
I'll add that elite women's college fast pitch players are probably better than the guys in your league.
Do you think they're stronger and can generate more bat speed?
3/11/2014 10:58 AM
I don't know if they are stronger but I wouldn't be surprised if they generated more bat speed.
3/11/2014 11:05 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:51:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 05nomar05 on 3/11/2014 10:45:00 AM (view original):
Wow...comparing your softball games to Miggy and the MLB.  Congrats on the losing the argument.

Can't believe this is still going on....what a joke.
Another ignorant *******.

It really wasn't the point.    I was simply pointing out that people, even those of considerably less athletic ability, can avoid getting hit the face with a batted ball.
I think we all agree that
A) Cabrera is a bad defensive 3rd baseman
B) he's still a crazy good athlete

Knowing that, what do you think is more likely:
X) it was a bad hop/unlucky bounce that could have happened to anyone
Y) Cabrera is so bad at 3rd that even you are better at it than him
3/11/2014 11:05 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:58:00 AM (view original):
I don't know if they are stronger but I wouldn't be surprised if they generated more bat speed.
I would.  Have you ever watched women's softball?   They're just slapping at it hoping to make contact because the ball is on them quick.   Then watch a men's slow-pitch game.   Swinging from their heels because the ball takes forever to reach the plate. 

Again.  90 MPH exit speed for a baseball to travel 300 ft.   How many MPH would a softball have to be hit to travel the same distance?
3/11/2014 11:06 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:51:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 05nomar05 on 3/11/2014 10:45:00 AM (view original):
Wow...comparing your softball games to Miggy and the MLB.  Congrats on the losing the argument.

Can't believe this is still going on....what a joke.
Another ignorant *******.

It really wasn't the point.    I was simply pointing out that people, even those of considerably less athletic ability, can avoid getting hit the face with a batted ball.
I think we all agree that
A) Cabrera is a bad defensive 3rd baseman
B) he's still a crazy good athlete

Knowing that, what do you think is more likely:
X) it was a bad hop/unlucky bounce that could have happened to anyone
Y) Cabrera is so bad at 3rd that even you are better at it than him
How many non-pitchers have been hit in the face with a batted baseball in MLB in the last 10 years?

Just a number, not multiple choice.
3/11/2014 11:06 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:26:00 AM (view original):
And that's 60 exit speed, not when it gets to you.

Yeah, now you're simply wrong.

A baseball has to have a 90 MPH exit speed to travel 300 ft.   A softball would HAVE to have a higher exit speed to travel the same distance.   Unless you think I'm playing on a 150 ft fence, you know you're wrong. 

How many ground balls travel 300 feet?
Does it matter for exit speed?   The ball hasn't touched the ground at that point. 
So you think ground balls come off the bat at the same speed as home runs?

Wow. Maybe you should take a breath and think about what you're arguing here.
Sure.  Do you think they don't?  Do you understand angles/elevation/etc?

Seriously.   Do you think a ball hit 8 ft high could ever clear a fence?   Do you think that it can't be hit just as hard, or harder, as one that does?

Wow is right.
And, yeah, if you want to address this, please do. 
3/11/2014 11:16 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:26:00 AM (view original):
And that's 60 exit speed, not when it gets to you.

Yeah, now you're simply wrong.

A baseball has to have a 90 MPH exit speed to travel 300 ft.   A softball would HAVE to have a higher exit speed to travel the same distance.   Unless you think I'm playing on a 150 ft fence, you know you're wrong. 

How many ground balls travel 300 feet?
Does it matter for exit speed?   The ball hasn't touched the ground at that point. 
So you think ground balls come off the bat at the same speed as home runs?

Wow. Maybe you should take a breath and think about what you're arguing here.
Sure.  Do you think they don't?  Do you understand angles/elevation/etc?

Seriously.   Do you think a ball hit 8 ft high could ever clear a fence?   Do you think that it can't be hit just as hard, or harder, as one that does?

Wow is right.
Ground balls do not come off the bat at the same speed as home runs. There's MLB data that backs this up.
3/11/2014 11:22 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 11:06:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:51:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 05nomar05 on 3/11/2014 10:45:00 AM (view original):
Wow...comparing your softball games to Miggy and the MLB.  Congrats on the losing the argument.

Can't believe this is still going on....what a joke.
Another ignorant *******.

It really wasn't the point.    I was simply pointing out that people, even those of considerably less athletic ability, can avoid getting hit the face with a batted ball.
I think we all agree that
A) Cabrera is a bad defensive 3rd baseman
B) he's still a crazy good athlete

Knowing that, what do you think is more likely:
X) it was a bad hop/unlucky bounce that could have happened to anyone
Y) Cabrera is so bad at 3rd that even you are better at it than him
How many non-pitchers have been hit in the face with a batted baseball in MLB in the last 10 years?

Just a number, not multiple choice.
If I had to guess, I'd say more than one.
3/11/2014 11:24 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:26:00 AM (view original):
And that's 60 exit speed, not when it gets to you.

Yeah, now you're simply wrong.

A baseball has to have a 90 MPH exit speed to travel 300 ft.   A softball would HAVE to have a higher exit speed to travel the same distance.   Unless you think I'm playing on a 150 ft fence, you know you're wrong. 

How many ground balls travel 300 feet?
Does it matter for exit speed?   The ball hasn't touched the ground at that point. 
So you think ground balls come off the bat at the same speed as home runs?

Wow. Maybe you should take a breath and think about what you're arguing here.
Sure.  Do you think they don't?  Do you understand angles/elevation/etc?

Seriously.   Do you think a ball hit 8 ft high could ever clear a fence?   Do you think that it can't be hit just as hard, or harder, as one that does?

Wow is right.
Ground balls do not come off the bat at the same speed as home runs. There's MLB data that backs this up.
Provide it.  

But, bloopers don't come off the bat as the same speed as home runs either.    I contend that a squarely hit ball comes off the bat at the same speed regardless of elevation.   The bat speed/pitch speed doesn't change wrt to the angle of the bat. 
3/11/2014 11:25 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 11:06:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:51:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 05nomar05 on 3/11/2014 10:45:00 AM (view original):
Wow...comparing your softball games to Miggy and the MLB.  Congrats on the losing the argument.

Can't believe this is still going on....what a joke.
Another ignorant *******.

It really wasn't the point.    I was simply pointing out that people, even those of considerably less athletic ability, can avoid getting hit the face with a batted ball.
I think we all agree that
A) Cabrera is a bad defensive 3rd baseman
B) he's still a crazy good athlete

Knowing that, what do you think is more likely:
X) it was a bad hop/unlucky bounce that could have happened to anyone
Y) Cabrera is so bad at 3rd that even you are better at it than him
How many non-pitchers have been hit in the face with a batted baseball in MLB in the last 10 years?

Just a number, not multiple choice.
If I had to guess, I'd say more than one.
You don't have to guess.   There's a way to look up stuff on the internet.
3/11/2014 11:27 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 11:25:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 11:06:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:51:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 05nomar05 on 3/11/2014 10:45:00 AM (view original):
Wow...comparing your softball games to Miggy and the MLB.  Congrats on the losing the argument.

Can't believe this is still going on....what a joke.
Another ignorant *******.

It really wasn't the point.    I was simply pointing out that people, even those of considerably less athletic ability, can avoid getting hit the face with a batted ball.
I think we all agree that
A) Cabrera is a bad defensive 3rd baseman
B) he's still a crazy good athlete

Knowing that, what do you think is more likely:
X) it was a bad hop/unlucky bounce that could have happened to anyone
Y) Cabrera is so bad at 3rd that even you are better at it than him
How many non-pitchers have been hit in the face with a batted baseball in MLB in the last 10 years?

Just a number, not multiple choice.
If I had to guess, I'd say more than one.
You don't have to guess.   There's a way to look up stuff on the internet.
So you already know the answer? Am I right? Is it more than one?
3/11/2014 12:08 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/11/2014 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2014 10:26:00 AM (view original):
And that's 60 exit speed, not when it gets to you.

Yeah, now you're simply wrong.

A baseball has to have a 90 MPH exit speed to travel 300 ft.   A softball would HAVE to have a higher exit speed to travel the same distance.   Unless you think I'm playing on a 150 ft fence, you know you're wrong. 

How many ground balls travel 300 feet?
Does it matter for exit speed?   The ball hasn't touched the ground at that point. 
So you think ground balls come off the bat at the same speed as home runs?

Wow. Maybe you should take a breath and think about what you're arguing here.
Sure.  Do you think they don't?  Do you understand angles/elevation/etc?

Seriously.   Do you think a ball hit 8 ft high could ever clear a fence?   Do you think that it can't be hit just as hard, or harder, as one that does?

Wow is right.
Ground balls do not come off the bat at the same speed as home runs. There's MLB data that backs this up.
Retarded statement of the day.  Congrats.

Please provide the "MLB data that backs this up".

3/11/2014 12:29 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/10/2014 8:53:00 PM (view original):
That didn't take long.   http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/39/4/223   Looks like softballs can also reach close to 100 MPH. 
Odd that they didn't mention GB/FB/HR in their study.
3/11/2014 12:30 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/10/2014 8:56:00 PM (view original):
http://www.efastball.com/hitting/average-bat-speed-exit-speed-by-age-group/   And, obviously, baseballs can exceed 120 MPH.   So we're back to where we were. 

That said, I doubt I was hit by a 100 MPH ball and I doubt anyone in your league hits the ball as hard as Pujols in his heyday.
So, if a baseball has to have an exit speed of 90 MPH to travel 300 ft, I wonder what the exit speed would have to be for a softball to travel that far?  You know, with all the extra resistance, less density, etc, etc?
3/11/2014 12:35 PM
Ok, I'm wrong. On average, flyballs come off the bat much faster than ground balls, but the peak velocities of both types are the same.


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