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2/21/2014 3:08 PM
Is there really anything else you need to know other than it won't go? :)

On cooking, i'm reminded of my friend's grandpa's words..."if you can read, you can cook." Maybe not well enough to be a restaurant chef, but well enough to feed yourself well.

Also reminded of "my drunk kitchen" episode where Hannah has no idea what 'cream together' means.

My GMAT sucked because I took it after not nearly enough prep time. Hadn't planned on taking it, got talked into it at the last minute. Bad idea, kids. Bad idea. How was I to know that the most important test you take in business school is actually BEFORE business school, even if you've already been accepted! Weird, huh. Yeah well, Marilyn vos Savant wasn't around to tell me how that works. Neither was my mechanic.
2/21/2014 3:12 PM
Posted by docmastermd on 2/21/2014 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mamxet on 2/21/2014 2:48:00 PM (view original):
There are lots of exceptionally intelligent people who would have zero idea what is wrong with a car other than noting that it will not go.

Another example, there are plenty of exceptionally intelligent people who could not cook much of anything and certainly not anything complex.  Reasoning from first principles will not lead one to deduce how to prepare a complex dish - it will not even enable one to follow a recipe since much of a recipe assumes knowledge of the craft of cooking

But, I look forward to a contest in which folks who have claimed intelligence throw down their IQ test results, ACTs, SATs, SAT IIs, APs, IBs, GMATs, LSATs, MCATs and other fabulous tokens of intellect
Hahah. The first sentence made me giggle. I'm a mechanical engineer who could tell you more than enough about how Internal Combustion engines work. All the formulas, efficiencies, and theory. Further, I work for a Forklift manufacturing company as a design engineer. If I walk outside and my car didn't start, I'd be EFFED. 
So would pretty much everyone else because no one keeps a mechanic's garage worth of resources and equipment in their trunk.

Unless it's vapor lock (not so much common anymore) or a battery problem, hard for most anyone to do much unless you roll with a veritable AutoZone in the back of your car/truck/van.
2/21/2014 3:21 PM
prep for GMAT?  not what most mega intellects would require, but I suppose it is true that with practice one can improve one's ability to compete in some ways and in some contexts.
2/21/2014 3:36 PM
Honestly I feel like most people who are smart enough to be bragging about it would be embarrassed to admit they studied for something like the GMAT. 
2/21/2014 3:38 PM
Um, pretty much everyone studies for the GMAT. Most people study a lot for it.

Your ignorance is showing.
2/21/2014 3:42 PM
Posted by killbatman on 2/21/2014 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Honestly I feel like most people who are smart enough to be bragging about it would be embarrassed to admit they studied for something like the GMAT. 
I haven't taken it, but my brother did. While he's a smart guy, he's not a genius. He's a dad, so he didn't have time to "study" for it. He said he had course work tests that were more challenging.
2/21/2014 3:44 PM
Posted by ettaexpress on 2/21/2014 3:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by docmastermd on 2/21/2014 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mamxet on 2/21/2014 2:48:00 PM (view original):
There are lots of exceptionally intelligent people who would have zero idea what is wrong with a car other than noting that it will not go.

Another example, there are plenty of exceptionally intelligent people who could not cook much of anything and certainly not anything complex.  Reasoning from first principles will not lead one to deduce how to prepare a complex dish - it will not even enable one to follow a recipe since much of a recipe assumes knowledge of the craft of cooking

But, I look forward to a contest in which folks who have claimed intelligence throw down their IQ test results, ACTs, SATs, SAT IIs, APs, IBs, GMATs, LSATs, MCATs and other fabulous tokens of intellect
Hahah. The first sentence made me giggle. I'm a mechanical engineer who could tell you more than enough about how Internal Combustion engines work. All the formulas, efficiencies, and theory. Further, I work for a Forklift manufacturing company as a design engineer. If I walk outside and my car didn't start, I'd be EFFED. 
So would pretty much everyone else because no one keeps a mechanic's garage worth of resources and equipment in their trunk.

Unless it's vapor lock (not so much common anymore) or a battery problem, hard for most anyone to do much unless you roll with a veritable AutoZone in the back of your car/truck/van.
Talk about breezily missing the point ...
2/21/2014 3:48 PM
Posted by ettaexpress on 2/21/2014 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Um, pretty much everyone studies for the GMAT. Most people study a lot for it.

Your ignorance is showing.
lulz whatever you say

That wasn't really my point anyway.  No doubt nearly everyone who takes it could improve with study.  But the people smart enough to be bragging about how smart they are do not study for standardized tests.  They just show up and make a good score.  They certainly wouldn't admit to studying for it at all and still making a not-so-great score.
2/21/2014 3:50 PM
Posted by ettaexpress on 2/21/2014 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Um, pretty much everyone studies for the GMAT. Most people study a lot for it.

Your ignorance is showing.
I took the GMAT.  I am well aware that it is common to study for it.   Common doesnt mean universal.

I was making the point - a bit subtle - that it is interesting that someone can claim supreme intellect but need to practice.  And that he could also take the view that the development of hoop IQ makes no sense in a game.

in my experience people of really high intelligence dont quickly refer to their scores or make excuses for disappointing scores.  
Many really intelligent folks tend to let their words and analysis allow others to appreciate their intellect rather than referring to test results.  But to each his own.

By the way, saying that someone is ignorant is a personal attack - see other thread,  Saying that a statement is silly or wrong is not a personal attack.  


2/21/2014 5:04 PM
Posted by wildcat98 on 2/21/2014 3:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by killbatman on 2/21/2014 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Honestly I feel like most people who are smart enough to be bragging about it would be embarrassed to admit they studied for something like the GMAT. 
I haven't taken it, but my brother did. While he's a smart guy, he's not a genius. He's a dad, so he didn't have time to "study" for it. He said he had course work tests that were more challenging.
Guess that depends on what your experience is with that kind of test and what your goal score is. 
2/21/2014 5:08 PM
Posted by ettaexpress on 2/21/2014 3:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by docmastermd on 2/21/2014 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mamxet on 2/21/2014 2:48:00 PM (view original):
There are lots of exceptionally intelligent people who would have zero idea what is wrong with a car other than noting that it will not go.

Another example, there are plenty of exceptionally intelligent people who could not cook much of anything and certainly not anything complex.  Reasoning from first principles will not lead one to deduce how to prepare a complex dish - it will not even enable one to follow a recipe since much of a recipe assumes knowledge of the craft of cooking

But, I look forward to a contest in which folks who have claimed intelligence throw down their IQ test results, ACTs, SATs, SAT IIs, APs, IBs, GMATs, LSATs, MCATs and other fabulous tokens of intellect
Hahah. The first sentence made me giggle. I'm a mechanical engineer who could tell you more than enough about how Internal Combustion engines work. All the formulas, efficiencies, and theory. Further, I work for a Forklift manufacturing company as a design engineer. If I walk outside and my car didn't start, I'd be EFFED. 
So would pretty much everyone else because no one keeps a mechanic's garage worth of resources and equipment in their trunk.

Unless it's vapor lock (not so much common anymore) or a battery problem, hard for most anyone to do much unless you roll with a veritable AutoZone in the back of your car/truck/van.
this is not true, plenty of people can change starter plugs, starters or alternators, and the like - without a "veritable autozone" available in their trunk. rather, you have some tools, and go out and buy a relevant part or two. millions of americans are able to make repairs like this on their own vehicles.

i think the assumption you are making is that you only fix the car with what is available in the car that broke down - which is a pretty silly way to look at it.
2/21/2014 5:08 PM
Posted by mamxet on 2/21/2014 3:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ettaexpress on 2/21/2014 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Um, pretty much everyone studies for the GMAT. Most people study a lot for it.

Your ignorance is showing.
I took the GMAT.  I am well aware that it is common to study for it.   Common doesnt mean universal.

I was making the point - a bit subtle - that it is interesting that someone can claim supreme intellect but need to practice.  And that he could also take the view that the development of hoop IQ makes no sense in a game.

in my experience people of really high intelligence dont quickly refer to their scores or make excuses for disappointing scores.  
Many really intelligent folks tend to let their words and analysis allow others to appreciate their intellect rather than referring to test results.  But to each his own.

By the way, saying that someone is ignorant is a personal attack - see other thread,  Saying that a statement is silly or wrong is not a personal attack.  


Saying someone is ignorant is a personal attack? Do you even know what ignorance means, or are you ignorant of that too? 

I haven't claimed supreme intellect at all (and there's another term used without quantifying what it means...what is supreme? 3 standard deviations above the mean? 4? 6?). I don't know what you gets you all going off the deep end on everything like this. You take one statement and you just blow it up to whatever the hell you want it to be. It's annoying, it's misleading, and it's dishonest.

Look, reread the thread. I didn't make intelligence an issue. Someone else did. I only responded to that charge, and then everyone goes nuts saying "oh he's bragging about how smart he is, really smart people don't do that..." and now it's a circle jerk of people that have nothing better to do in their lives than hang on my every word.
2/21/2014 5:20 PM (edited)
Posted by mamxet on 2/21/2014 3:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ettaexpress on 2/21/2014 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Um, pretty much everyone studies for the GMAT. Most people study a lot for it.

Your ignorance is showing.
I took the GMAT.  I am well aware that it is common to study for it.   Common doesnt mean universal.

I was making the point - a bit subtle - that it is interesting that someone can claim supreme intellect but need to practice.  And that he could also take the view that the development of hoop IQ makes no sense in a game.

in my experience people of really high intelligence dont quickly refer to their scores or make excuses for disappointing scores.  
Many really intelligent folks tend to let their words and analysis allow others to appreciate their intellect rather than referring to test results.  But to each his own.

By the way, saying that someone is ignorant is a personal attack - see other thread,  Saying that a statement is silly or wrong is not a personal attack.  


mets nails it exactly here what i was specifically referring to in your case etta, when i said intellect is better measured by success at various pursuits. instead of success, performance would have been a better word choice - as you pointed out, performance and success are often greatly disconnected. 

so, just as the computer scientist's successful attempt to solve a really hard theoretical problem gives me MUCH better information that he is highly intelligent, than his IQ score ever could - your inability to convince the general population of points you so passionately believe in, and which you have devoted oh-so-much time to claiming & defending - tells me much more about your level of intellect than your hypothetical IQ test scores ever could.

of course, you could argue your communication and social skills are just substantially sub-par, and that the kind of intellect you possess is different in nature. that would be a perfectly reasonable claim. i am a believer in the model of different forms of intelligence - and IQ testing does not even attempt to measure intelligence of many of those different forms. for example, a musician such as john lennon could have a below average IQ (i highly doubt it in his case, but substitute someone more moronic if you find it necessary), but there is no denying his absolute genius in the areas of musical and artistic intelligence. 


2/21/2014 5:17 PM
Is your car parked within accessible distance of an AutoZone? If not, then you need the part with you, or you need a ride to get the part.

I don't think the poster meant EFFED as his car would be immobile for the rest of his born days. He can correct me if warranted, but I took it to mean that he would be stuck and would have to get help of some kind. In his case, it would be due to lack of knowledge of what was wrong with the car (which is not the same as not being able to fix it), but which would also be true of most people regardless of whether they knew what was wrong or not, because they lack the resources on hand to fix the problem.

Most of the people that work on their own cars don't do it while it's parked outside their place of employment. They do it at home, they have tools on hand at the house to be able to do it, and many times it takes a lot longer than if the mechanic had done it. My dad is a backyard mechanic and I don't think I've ever seen him finish a job in the time he thought it would take. 

2/21/2014 5:24 PM
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