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5/29/2014 12:55 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
And who will get on base more?  The 650 PA guy who K's 200 times, or the 650 PA guy who K's only 75 times?
Are you arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits?
Nobody should have to argue that.  That should be a given.

Who's likely to be making more outs (with all else being equal)?  The 200 K guy, or the 75 K guy?

5/29/2014 12:58 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 12:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
And who will get on base more?  The 650 PA guy who K's 200 times, or the 650 PA guy who K's only 75 times?
Are you arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits?
Nobody should have to argue that.  That should be a given.

Who's likely to be making more outs (with all else being equal)?  The 200 K guy, or the 75 K guy?

All else being equal? They make the same amount of outs. since, you know, OBP would be included in "all else."
5/29/2014 1:01 PM
Or if he means groundouts and flyouts are equal, obviously the guy with 200 K would be making 125 more outs.
5/29/2014 1:02 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 12:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
And who will get on base more?  The 650 PA guy who K's 200 times, or the 650 PA guy who K's only 75 times?
Are you arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits?
Nobody should have to argue that.  That should be a given.

Who's likely to be making more outs (with all else being equal)?  The 200 K guy, or the 75 K guy?

All else being equal? They make the same amount of outs. since, you know, OBP would be included in "all else."

Sorry. "All else being equal" means talent level.  Not rate stats.

Who gets on base more?  The guy who's striking out 200 times, or the guy who's making contact 125 more times?
 

5/29/2014 1:07 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 1:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 12:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
And who will get on base more?  The 650 PA guy who K's 200 times, or the 650 PA guy who K's only 75 times?
Are you arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits?
Nobody should have to argue that.  That should be a given.

Who's likely to be making more outs (with all else being equal)?  The 200 K guy, or the 75 K guy?

All else being equal? They make the same amount of outs. since, you know, OBP would be included in "all else."

Sorry. "All else being equal" means talent level.  Not rate stats.

Who gets on base more?  The guy who's striking out 200 times, or the guy who's making contact 125 more times?
 

So now you're arguing that strikeouts are worse than making contact? No ****.
5/29/2014 1:08 PM
Seems like you're still arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits.
5/29/2014 1:15 PM
I'd like you to answer a question tec, why don't teams that strike out less score more runs than teams that strike out more?
5/29/2014 1:23 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Seems like you're still arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits.
Yep.  That's exactly what I'm arguing.

How many hits result from strikeouts?  How many outs results from strikeouts?

5/29/2014 1:41 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 12:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 12:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 12:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 12:04:00 PM (view original):
It's funny because TW is from a different era when "an out's an out" wasn't an approach to hitting.    Anyone who doesn't see the logic behind his #3 is a proponent of "an out's an out so don't worry about striking out." 

The thing is, TW was a great hitter.   I have no doubt that he could do things that Austin Jackson cannot.   I'm not even sure TW had to apply that approach to hitting to himself.   But, if you don't think it's a good approach, I'm not sure what can convince you that Ted Williams knows more about hitting than you.
Swing hard at pitches you think you can hit hard, including the ones with 2 strikes.  With 2 strikes, also make contact on borderline pitches/good pitches by the pitcher which look like they may be strikes.  That's a good idea, if that's what he meant, that's normal sound baseball.  

If he's saying choke up and put the ball in play, to ignore the opportunity for a long-ball on 2 strikes, I disagree with him.
Uh.......remember this?

"If it's something you can handle and/or are looking for, crush it.    If it's not, just try to get a piece of it.

WOW!!   That's an outrageous request for one of the 400ish best position players in baseball.   Outlandish!!!!!!"
Uh....remember when I agreed with you?
No.
5/29/2014 1:42 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Look at the guys who strike out a lot.  Take the top 100 and look at their average rate stats.

Look at the guys who have a low strikeout %.  Take the top 100 and look at their average rate stats.

Which group has the better hitters?
Pick a group you'd like on your team, defense aside.


Top 10 in K%         OPS

Chris Carter          .770
Mike Napoli           .842
Adam Dunn           .762
Pedro Alvarez        .770
Chris Davis          1.004
Mark Trumbo         .747
Jay Bruce               .807
Justin Upton         .818
Alfonso Soriano   .791
Marlon Byrd           .847

Bottom 10 in K%   OPS

Norichika Aoki      .726
Martin Prado         .750
A. Simmons          .692
Victor Martinez      .785
Ian Kinsler             .757
E. Encarnacion     .904
Erick Aybar             .683
Alexi Ramirez        .693
Dustin Pedroia     .787
Nick Markakis       .685
5/29/2014 1:47 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 1:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Seems like you're still arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits.
Yep.  That's exactly what I'm arguing.

How many hits result from strikeouts?  How many outs results from strikeouts?

No one has ever argued that strikeouts are no worse than a ball in play.
5/29/2014 1:48 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 1:15:00 PM (view original):
I'd like you to answer a question tec, why don't teams that strike out less score more runs than teams that strike out more?
tec?
5/29/2014 1:48 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 1:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Seems like you're still arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits.
Yep.  That's exactly what I'm arguing.

How many hits result from strikeouts?  How many outs results from strikeouts?

No one has ever argued that strikeouts are no worse than a ball in play.
I think he's literally spent half this thread trying to tell you that this is wrong, even though it's not something that's ever been said.
5/29/2014 1:49 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 1:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Look at the guys who strike out a lot.  Take the top 100 and look at their average rate stats.

Look at the guys who have a low strikeout %.  Take the top 100 and look at their average rate stats.

Which group has the better hitters?
Pick a group you'd like on your team, defense aside.


Top 10 in K%         OPS

Chris Carter          .770
Mike Napoli           .842
Adam Dunn           .762
Pedro Alvarez        .770
Chris Davis          1.004
Mark Trumbo         .747
Jay Bruce               .807
Justin Upton         .818
Alfonso Soriano   .791
Marlon Byrd           .847

Bottom 10 in K%   OPS

Norichika Aoki      .726
Martin Prado         .750
A. Simmons          .692
Victor Martinez      .785
Ian Kinsler             .757
E. Encarnacion     .904
Erick Aybar             .683
Alexi Ramirez        .693
Dustin Pedroia     .787
Nick Markakis       .685
That is not 100 players. 
5/29/2014 1:50 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 1:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 1:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2014 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Seems like you're still arguing that it's better to make less outs and get more hits.
Yep.  That's exactly what I'm arguing.

How many hits result from strikeouts?  How many outs results from strikeouts?

No one has ever argued that strikeouts are no worse than a ball in play.
I think he's literally spent half this thread trying to tell you that this is wrong, even though it's not something that's ever been said.
Then, with two strikes, wouldn't the better approach be to put the ball in play?
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