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5/29/2014 2:25 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
5/29/2014 2:26 PM
Kinda looks like a wash.


300-550 PAs, highest K %              OPS

Juan Francisco                                  .719
BJ Upton                                             .557
Dan Uggla                                          .671
Oswaldo Arcia                                   .734
Mark Reynolds                                   .699
JP Arencibia                                       .592
J. Saltalamachia                               .804
Alex Aliva                                             .693
Colby Rasmus                                   .840
Drew Stubbs                                       .665

Lowest                                                  OPS

Placido Polanco                                  .617
Jeff Keppinger                                     .600
Alberto Callaspo                                 .702
Omar Infante                                        .795
Maicer Izturis                                        .597
Yadier Molina                                       .836
Mike Aviles                                            .650
Jose Reyes                                          .780
JB Shuck                                               .697
Salvador Perez                                     .757

5/29/2014 2:28 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
No, but if you want players to hit for more contact and strike out less, there will be a higher rate of those.
5/29/2014 2:29 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
I think the assumption is that a "just making contact with 2 strikes" means that you swing like an eight year old girl.
5/29/2014 2:31 PM
Reyes and Molina are full-time players(injury/catcher).    Any of the high rate guys full-timers?   I know several of them have been(Salty, Reynolds, Rasmus) but I don't know about last season.
5/29/2014 2:32 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
No, but if you want players to hit for more contact and strike out less, there will be a higher rate of those.
Austin Jackson struck out 129 times last season.   Had he made contact more often, how many of those would have been dribblers to the pitcher?
5/29/2014 2:33 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
I think the assumption is that a "just making contact with 2 strikes" means that you swing like an eight year old girl.
That's what I'm assuming.    Professional players can't possibly take a little off their swing in order to make contact.
5/29/2014 2:33 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
I think the assumption is that a "just making contact with 2 strikes" means that you swing like an eight year old girl.
You never answered this:

Why don't teams score more runs when they strike out less?
5/29/2014 2:36 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
No, but if you want players to hit for more contact and strike out less, there will be a higher rate of those.
Austin Jackson struck out 129 times last season.   Had he made contact more often, how many of those would have been dribblers to the pitcher?
Had he cut his swing down to make more contact, how many of his hits would have been outs?
5/29/2014 2:42 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
I think the assumption is that a "just making contact with 2 strikes" means that you swing like an eight year old girl.
That's what I'm assuming.    Professional players can't possibly take a little off their swing in order to make contact.
That's fine, do that, but you won't hit the ball as hard.  That double you hit that one-hopped the left field wall is now a flyout because it wasn't hit as hard.

That ground ball up the middle is now fielded by the pitcher.
5/29/2014 2:49 PM
Hypothetical: Curtis Granderson on the Yankees, the 180 Ks, 40 home run guy.  Let's say there's a clause in his contract that he has to cut his strikeouts this year to no more than 100. (assuming 600 PAs or whatever).  Will Curtis be better or worse than what he had been doing, knowing that he HAS to cut his strikeouts almost in half?
5/29/2014 2:49 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
I think the assumption is that a "just making contact with 2 strikes" means that you swing like an eight year old girl.
That's what I'm assuming.    Professional players can't possibly take a little off their swing in order to make contact.
That's fine, do that, but you won't hit the ball as hard.  That double you hit that one-hopped the left field wall is now a flyout because it wasn't hit as hard.

That ground ball up the middle is now fielded by the pitcher.
Not all AB reach 2 strikes.   And, sometimes, the 3rd strike is a meatball down the middle of the plate.    Seems to me, with a 2-2 or 3-2 count, "a little off their swing" might be virtually nothing.

Again, we're talking about the top 1% of hitters in the world.   They can adjust when they recognize the pitch. 
5/29/2014 2:51 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/29/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:20:00 PM (view original):
It's better to put the ball in play than to strike out.  It's also better to hit the ball hard than to bunt the ball back to the pitcher.  There are different "levels" to putting the ball in play.
Why does every struck ball, with two strikes, have to be a dribbler to the pitcher?   We're talking about 400ish of the best baseball players in the world.
I think the assumption is that a "just making contact with 2 strikes" means that you swing like an eight year old girl.
That's what I'm assuming.    Professional players can't possibly take a little off their swing in order to make contact.
That's fine, do that, but you won't hit the ball as hard.  That double you hit that one-hopped the left field wall is now a flyout because it wasn't hit as hard.

That ground ball up the middle is now fielded by the pitcher.
Not all AB reach 2 strikes.   And, sometimes, the 3rd strike is a meatball down the middle of the plate.    Seems to me, with a 2-2 or 3-2 count, "a little off their swing" might be virtually nothing.

Again, we're talking about the top 1% of hitters in the world.   They can adjust when they recognize the pitch. 
If a guy is otherwise productive, what exactly are you trying to fix?

5/29/2014 2:52 PM
Yea I was going to ask what's he saying, exactly. 
5/29/2014 2:58 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 5/29/2014 2:49:00 PM (view original):
Hypothetical: Curtis Granderson on the Yankees, the 180 Ks, 40 home run guy.  Let's say there's a clause in his contract that he has to cut his strikeouts this year to no more than 100. (assuming 600 PAs or whatever).  Will Curtis be better or worse than what he had been doing, knowing that he HAS to cut his strikeouts almost in half?
In Yankee Stadium where you don't really have to hit a ball all that well to hit a homer to RF?

2012.   43 homers, 195 K.    17 of those homers came with two strikes in 407 PA.    Line of 152/241/324.    I'd lose 12 of those homers if he could cut his whiffs down to 100.    He's almost have to be better by putting 95 more balls in play over 407 PA. 
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