Rule V Leg #45 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Angels and Twins have won recently), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.  Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete.  We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible.  Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2013) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2013
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  The scumbag finally won a couple of championships.  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

New Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
7/24/2014 1:10 PM
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Team draft order.  Thanks to schwarze for once again compiling this data.

Franchises in RED have already been selected.

Here is the cumulative standings (with the best and worst seasons removed)

Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 5 314 496 0.3877
2 D'backs 11 769 1013 0.4315
3 Tigers 16 1144 1448 0.4414
4 Pirates 15 1123 1307 0.4621
5 White Sox 8 610 686 0.4707
6 Rockies 11 858 924 0.4815
7 Twins 21 1643 1760 0.4828
8 Rangers 18 1412 1505 0.4841
9 Blue Jays 22 1742 1823 0.4886
10 Angels 16 1270 1322 0.4900
11 Orioles 20 1594 1647 0.4918
12 Brewers 21 1689 1716 0.4960
13 Padres 22 1772 1792 0.4972
14 Expos 26 2101 2114 0.4985
15 Marlins 17 1375 1381 0.4989
16 Mariners 25 2035 2016 0.5023
17 Phillies 26 2128 2087 0.5049
18 Cubs 18 1479 1437 0.5072
19 Mets 24 1975 1914 0.5078
20 Braves 25 2058 1992 0.5081
21 Giants 25 2061 1990 0.5088
22 Indians 26 2145 2068 0.5091
23 Red Sox 26 2150 2063 0.5103
24 Reds 20 1673 1568 0.5162
25 Royals 23 1932 1795 0.5184
26 Cardinals 26 2193 2020 0.5205
27 Yankees 22 1875 1689 0.5261
28 Dodgers 25 2160 1891 0.5332
29 A's 26 2281 1932 0.5414
30 Astros 26 2298 1915 0.5455
7/29/2014 4:08 PM (edited)
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Team draft order (timed draft starts Friday 7/25, all times eastern)
  1. twfan 60-102 .370                          Boston Red Sox*
  2. alice 65-97 .401                             Los Angeles Dodgers*
  3. dilligafdbp 66-96 .407                    Los Angeles Angels*
  4. tridentric 71-91 .438                      New York Mets*
  5. specsman 74-88 .457                   St. Louis Cardinals*
  6. spikeboots 75-87 .463                  Toronto Blue Jays*
  7. rbow923 76-86 .469                      Houston Astros*
  8. koyunlu 77-85 .475                        New York Yankees*
  9. ff09 77-85 .475                                Philadelphia Phillies*
  10. spoonfed 77-85 .475                     Oakland Athletics*
  11. marlowe 81-81 .500                       Detroit Tigers*
  12. shaybee 81-81 .500                       Minnesota Twins*
  13. llcoach 82-80 .506                          Pittsburgh Pirates*
  14. mussopini23 82-80 .506              Seattle Mariners
  15. alleyviper 85-77 .525                      Kansas City Royals*
  16. buddhagamer 90-72 .556             Atlanta Braves*
  17. deathdealer 82-80 .512*               San Francisco Giants*
  18. mllama54 86-76 .519*                   Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
  19. Robin4 87-75 .537*                        Chicago Cubs*
  20. dvorr80 93-69 .574*                        Milwaukee Brewers*
  21. pumpkinmcp 94-68 .580*              Miami Marlins*
  22. trenchfoot 97-65 .599*                   Baltimore Orioles*
  23. tjefferson 92-70 .568&                   Cincinnati Reds*
  24. sinfonian11 94-68 .580%             Cleveland Indians*
* 3rd round keeper sent.

Division Alignment

NL East:  Mets, Expos/Nats, Marlins, Phillies
NL Central:  Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates, Braves
NL West:  Reds, Dodgers, Giants, Astros

AL East:  Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central:  Indians, Tigers, Brewers, Twins
AL West:  Royals, Mariners, Angels, Athletics

Owner list for sitemailing: twfan; alice; dilligafdbp; tridentric; specsman; spikeboots; rbow923; koyunlu; ff09; spoonfed; marlowe; shaybee; llcoach; mussopini23; alleyviper; buddhagamer; deathdealer; mllama54; Robin4; dvorr80; pumpkinmcp; trenchfoot; tjefferson; sinfonian11


8/4/2014 4:09 PM (edited)
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Player Draft Round One (timed schedule starts Wed 7/30)                                                       Off the Board
  1. marlowe - Detroit Tigers:                              John Olerud - TOR
  2. llcoach - Pittsburgh Pirates:                         Mark McGwire - STL
  3. shaybee - Minnesota Twins:                         HWMNBN - CIN
  4. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                   Fernando Valenzuela - LAD
  5. dillagafdbp - Los Angeles Angels:               Derek Lowe - BOS
  6. trenchfoot - Baltimore Orioles:                      Willie McCovey - SFG
  7. dvorr80 - Milwaukee Brewers:                       Mike Piazza - LAD                                      Los Angeles Dodgers
  8. mllama54 - Montreal/Washington:               Mike Norris - OAK
  9. pumpkinmcp - Miami Marlins:                       Willie McGee - STL                                    St. Louis Cardinals
  10. mussopini23 - Seattle Mariners:                  Buster Posey - SFG                                    San Francisco Giants
  11. ff09 - Philadelphia Phillies:                            Rickey Henderson - NYY                             
  12. Robin4 - Chicago Cubs:                                 Bert Blyleven - MIN
  13. tridentric - New York Mets:                              Carl Yastrzemski - BOS                            Boston Red Sox
  14. buddhagamer - Atlanta Braves:                     Fritz Peterson - NYY                                  New York Yankees
  15. deathdealer - San Francisco Giants:            Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  16. sinfonian11 - Cleveland Indians:                   Matt Harvey - NYM
  17. twfan - Boston Red Sox:                                  JR Richard - HOU                                       Houston Astros
  18. tjefferson - Cincinnati Reds:                           Carlos Beltran - NYM                                 New York Mets
  19. alleyviper - Kansas City Royals:                     Bobby Abreu - PHI
  20. specsman - St. Louis Cardinals:                   George Foster - CIN                                   Cincinnati Reds
  21. koyunlu - New York Yankees:                          Roger Nelson - KCR
  22. alice - Los Angeles Dodgers:                         Craig Kimbrel - ATL
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics:                         Tony Fernandez - TOR                              Toronto Blue Jays
  24. rbow923 - Houston Astros:                              Lenny Dykstra - PHI                                   Philadelphia Phillies
Player Draft Round Two (timed schedule starts Friday 8/1)                                                       Off the Board
  1. marlowe - Detroit Tigers:                              Hideo Nomo - LAD
  2. llcoach - Pittsburgh Pirates:                         Tim Hudson - OAK
  3. shaybee - Minnesota Twins:                         Ben Sheets - MIL
  4. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                   Carlton Fisk - BOS
  5. dillagafdbp - Los Angeles Angels:               Nomar Garciaparra - BOS                         Boston Red Sox
  6. trenchfoot - Baltimore Orioles:                      Reggie Jackson - OAK                                Oakland Athletics
  7. dvorr80 - Milwaukee Brewers:                       Larry Dierker - HOU
  8. mllama54 - Montreal/Washington:               Don Mattingly - NYY
  9. pumpkinmcp - Miami Marlins:                       Bill Singer - LAD                                            Los Angeles Dodgers
  10. mussopini23 - Seattle Mariners:                  Scott Rolen - PHI
  11. ff09 - Philadelphia Phillies:                            Bernie Williams - NYY                                  New York Yankees
  12. Robin4 - Chicago Cubs:                                 Don Wilson - HOU                                         Houston Astros
  13. tridentric - New York Mets:                              Bob Gibson - STL
  14. buddhagamer - Atlanta Braves:                     Ozzie Smith - STL                                         St. Louis Cardinals
  15. deathdealer - San Francisco Giants:            Melvin Mora - BAL
  16. sinfonian11 - Cleveland Indians:                   Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  17. twfan - Boston Red Sox:                                  Dave Stieb - TOR
  18. tjefferson - Cincinnati Reds:                           Edgar Martinez - SEA
  19. alleyviper - Kansas City Royals:                     Kevin Mitchell - SFG
  20. specsman - St. Louis Cardinals:                   Andruw Jones - ATL
  21. koyunlu - New York Yankees:                          Brian Giles - PIT
  22. alice - Los Angeles Dodgers:                         Jimmy Rollins - PHI                                         Philadelphia Phillies
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics:                         Brian Roberts - BAL                                        Baltimore Orioles
  24. rbow923 - Houston Astros:                              Rick Wilkins - CHC
Player Draft Round Three (timed schedule starts Tuesday 8/5)
  1. marlowe - Detroit Tigers:                              Ted Simmons - STL
  2. llcoach - Pittsburgh Pirates:                         Jose DeLeon - STL                                          St. Louis Cardinals
  3. shaybee - Minnesota Twins:                         Willie Hernandez - DET
  4. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                   Don Sutton - HOU
  5. dillagafdbp - Los Angeles Angels:               Jorge Posada - NYY
  6. trenchfoot - Baltimore Orioles:                      Odalis Perez - LAD
  7. dvorr80 - Milwaukee Brewers:                       Pedro Guerrero - LAD                                    Los Angeles Dodgers
  8. mllama54 - Montreal/Washington:               Willie Wilson - KCR
  9. pumpkinmcp - Miami Marlins:                       Bobby Murcer - NYY                                        New York Yankees
  10. mussopini23 - Seattle Mariners:                  Gary Sheffield - ATL
  11. ff09 - Philadelphia Phillies:                            John Valentin - BOS
  12. Robin4 - Chicago Cubs:                                 Darren Daulton - PHI
  13. tridentric - New York Mets:                              Ken Singleton - BAL
  14. buddhagamer - Atlanta Braves:                     Jim Rice - BOS                                                  Boston Red Sox
  15. deathdealer - San Francisco Giants:            Justin Duchsherer - OAK
  16. sinfonian11 - Cleveland Indians:                   Steve Ontiveros - OAK                                    Oakland Athletics
  17. twfan - Boston Red Sox:                                  Cal Eldred - MIL
  18. tjefferson - Cincinnati Reds:                           Andy Pettitte - HOU                                          Houston Astros
  19. alleyviper - Kansas City Royals:                     Bobby Grich - LAA
  20. specsman - St. Louis Cardinals:                   Jose Rijo - CIN
  21. koyunlu - New York Yankees:                          Mike Piazza - NYM
  22. alice - Los Angeles Dodgers:                         John Olerud - NYM                                           New York Mets
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics:                         Victor Martinez - CLE
  24. rbow923 - Houston Astros:                              Matt Williams - SFG

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List of keepers/draft picks

Detroit Tigers - Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Magglio Ordonez, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, John Olerud - TOR, Curtis Granderson, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Tony Phillips, Ted Simmons - STL

Pittsburgh Pirates - Jason Kendall, Andrew McCutchen, Barry Bonds, Freddy Sanchez, Goose Gossage, Mark McGwire - STL, Doug Drabek, Tim Hudson - OAK, Rick Reuschel, Jose DeLeon - STL

Minnesota Twins - Johan Santana, Chuck Knoblauch, Rod Carew, Joe Mauer, Kirby Puckett, HWMNBN - CIN, Joe Nathan, Ben Sheets - MIL,  Lyman Bostock, Willie Hernandez - DET

Toronto Blue Jays - Roger Clemens, Roy Halladay, Carlos Delgado, Jose Bautista, Roberto Alomar, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Mark Eichhorn, Carlton Fisk - BOS, BJ Ryan, Don Sutton - HOU

Los Angeles Angels - Mike Trout, Troy Glaus, Darin Erstad, Frank Tanana, Andy Messersmith, Derek Lowe - BOS, Tim Salmon, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Mark Texeira, Jorge Posada - NYY

Baltimore Orioles - TSMOPPOAT, Chris Hoiles, Roberto Alomar, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Willie McCovey - SFG, Brady Anderson, Reggie Jackson - OAK, Frank Robinson, Odalis Perez - LAD

Milwaukee Brewers - Ryan Braun, Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Teddy Higuera, Mike Caldwell, Mike Piazza - LAD, Prince Fielder, Larry Dierker - HOU, CC Sabathia, Pedro Guerrero - LAD

Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals - Tim Raines, Vladimir, Guerrero, Gary Carter, Pedro Martinez, Tim Burke, Mike Norris - OAK, Jeff Reardon, Don Mattingly - NYY, Ryan Zimmerman, Willie Wilson - KCR

Miami Marlins - Jose Fernandez, Kevin Brown, Gary Sheffield, Hanley Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera, Willie McGee - STL, Mike Piazza, Bill Singer - LAD, Luis Castillo, Bobby Murcer - NYY

Seattle Mariners - Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Ichiro Suzuki, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Buster Posey - SFG, Bret Boone, Scott Rolen - PHI, Freddy Garcia, Gary Sheffield - ATL

Philadelphia Phillies - Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Cole Hamels, Bernie Williams - NYY, Billy Wagner, John Valentin - BOS

Chicago Cubs - Mark Prior, Greg Maddux, Ryne Sandberg, Derrek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Bert Blyleven - MIN, Billy Williams, Don Wilson - HOU, Bruce Sutter, Darren Daulton - PHI

New York Mets - Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Dwight Gooden, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Lance Johnson, Bob Gibson - STL, Edgardo Alfonso,

Atlanta Braves - Greg Maddux, Kevin Millwood, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Javy Lopez, Ozzie Smith - STL, Kris Medlen, Jim Rice - BOS

San Francisco Giants - Barry Bonds, Jeff Kent, Juan Marichal, Tim Lincecum, Jason Schmidt, Cesar Cedeno - HOU, Will Clark, Melvin Mora - BAL, Dick Dietz, Justin Duchscherer - OAK

Cleveland Indians - Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Roberto Alomar, Jim Thome, Gaylord Perry, Matt Harvey - NYM, Manny Ramirez, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Rafael Betancourt, Steve Ontiveros - OAK

Boston Red Sox - Wade Boggs, Rico Petrocelli, Fred Lynn, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, JR Richard - HOU, Koji Uehara, Dave Stieb - TOR, Jacoby Ellsbury, Cal Eldred - MIL

Cincinnati Reds - Tom Seaver, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Barry Larkin, Joey Votto, Carlos Beltran - NYM, Eric Davis, Edgar Martinez - SEA, Aroldis Chapman, Andy Pettitte - HOU

Kansas City Royals - George Brett, Darrell Porter, Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zach Greinke, Bobby Abreu - PHI, David Cone, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Dan Quisenberry, Bobby Grich - LAA

St. Louis Cardinals - Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, John Tudor, Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, George Foster - CIN, Yadier Molina, Andruw Jones - ATL, Matt Carpenter, Jose Rijo - CIN

New York Yankees - Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Paul O'Neill, Roger Nelson - KCR, Dave Righetti, Brian Giles - PIT, Mariano Rivera, Mike Piazza - NYM

Los Angeles Dodgers - Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Orel Hershiser, Kevin Brown, Eric Gagne, Craig Kimbrel - ATL, Adrian Beltre, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Matt Kemp, John Olerud - LAD

Oakland Athletics - Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Dennis Eckersley, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Tony Fernandez - TOR, Andrew Bailey, Brian Roberts - BAL, Rich Harden, Victor Martinez - CLE

Houston Astros - Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Lance Berkman, Lenny Dykstra - PHI, TSMOPOAT, Rick Wilkins - CHC, Billy Wagner, Matt Williams - SFG


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L.A. Dodgers
7/24/2014 2:48 PM
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7/25/2014 9:13 AM
mussopini23
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should be another great leg!
7/25/2014 11:25 AM
sinfonian11
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Yeah, if only I could get anyone to pick their team!
7/25/2014 12:43 PM
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Houston
7/25/2014 1:29 PM
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I'm here & will pick once my slot rolls around!

7/25/2014 2:33 PM
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Cardinals, please
7/25/2014 2:40 PM
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Sorry for lateness. inspections and fire drills at work.

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I am in with the Oakland A's
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