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7/27/2014 8:32 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/27/2014 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/27/2014 7:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/27/2014 6:29:00 PM (view original):
So if somebody isn't elected after 23 tries, is it reasonable to believe that the 24th time will be magic?

Or do you want more Blylevens and Rices in the HOF?
Agree on Rice but Blyleven is a good argument for letting players stay on for 15 years or longer. It took a long time for the writers to see that he deserved it.
If he was so deserving, why didn't they recognize it for the first 14 years?  Did he use Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machice to go back with Sherman and pad his stats?


Many writers recognized that he belonged before the 15th year. There were just a few that needed convincing. Based on his production, he belongs.
7/27/2014 9:05 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2014 8:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/27/2014 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2014 6:40:00 PM (view original):
So, if someone stays on the ballot for 24 years, they'll get in?
If you don't think they will, then why clutter up the ballot with a bunch of "no friggin' way" guys?
Isn't that already the case?

36 were on the ballot last year.  Even BL would have to agree that 2/3 of them are "no friggin way" guys.
So why are you arguing in favor of keeping the NFW guys on the ballot?
7/27/2014 9:17 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 7/27/2014 8:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/27/2014 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/27/2014 7:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/27/2014 6:29:00 PM (view original):
So if somebody isn't elected after 23 tries, is it reasonable to believe that the 24th time will be magic?

Or do you want more Blylevens and Rices in the HOF?
Agree on Rice but Blyleven is a good argument for letting players stay on for 15 years or longer. It took a long time for the writers to see that he deserved it.
If he was so deserving, why didn't they recognize it for the first 14 years?  Did he use Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machice to go back with Sherman and pad his stats?


Many writers recognized that he belonged before the 15th year. There were just a few that needed convincing. Based on his production, he belongs.
He was a compiler.  An above average pitcher who compiled stats over a long career.

Two (TWO!!!!!) All Star selections over 22 years.  Hardly the kind of dominance one would expect from a HOFer.

(yawn)
7/27/2014 9:24 PM
I'd probably put him in the top 20-30 all time. To me, that's deserving.
7/27/2014 9:37 PM
Well, you've proven time after time that you've not the best judge of baseball talent, so that's no surprise.
7/27/2014 9:47 PM
I don't think you can find 30 pitchers better. You're welcome to try.
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7/28/2014 8:28 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/27/2014 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2014 8:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/27/2014 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2014 6:40:00 PM (view original):
So, if someone stays on the ballot for 24 years, they'll get in?
If you don't think they will, then why clutter up the ballot with a bunch of "no friggin' way" guys?
Isn't that already the case?

36 were on the ballot last year.  Even BL would have to agree that 2/3 of them are "no friggin way" guys.
So why are you arguing in favor of keeping the NFW guys on the ballot?
I'm arguing that their inclusion is inconsequential.    I think you can remove players after 5 years or less.   You're either HOF quality when you retire or you're not.   You don't get better 7 years later.   Looking at last season's ballot, Raines if the only 5+ guy with any chance.  And you know he doesn't belong.

IMO, this is just an effort to ensure Bonds/Clemens aren't elected.   Which is fine if that's what they want.  Just don't dress it up.
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7/28/2014 2:24 PM
Why should McGwire go in?  How do you separate his legitimate numbers from his tainted numbers?
7/28/2014 2:29 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/28/2014 2:24:00 PM (view original):
Why should McGwire go in?  How do you separate his legitimate numbers from his tainted numbers?
I think we just accept the fact that steroids were part of the game and let it go. Vote in the guys that deserve it based on their production. 
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7/28/2014 3:57 PM
Has there ever been a more one-dimensional player than McGwire?   I don't really care about PED but, if McGwire goes in, so does Sosa, Palmeiro and Thome.  Now, if you want to argue all 4 are HOF, there's that.   But I thinks it's "none of the above".    And, supposedly, Thome was a "country strong" fella who never used.
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