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8/8/2014 8:45 AM
I agree but I'd say it's top 3 and a group.    You can certainly make a case for DiMaggio(had he not missed three seasons for military service, I don't think there's any question he's #4) and Ford.  But a strong case can be made for several other players(not Gomez at 4 or 5).  Including Jeter.
8/8/2014 8:49 AM
H8ers gonna h8.
8/8/2014 9:09 AM
Pretty much.   Hit over .310, on base 38% of the time, team leader in all-time hits and has been a top player on 17-18 playoff teams over 20 seasons.  Obviously no argument can be made for top 5. 
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8/8/2014 9:28 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/8/2014 8:49:00 AM (view original):
H8ers gonna h8.
Who's hating?

Unless you consider calling Jeter the 6th or 7th best Yankee of all time "hating."
8/8/2014 10:14 AM
Anyone who says that Jeter is arguably higher than DiMaggio on this list is obviously high on whippets.
8/8/2014 11:01 AM
Meh.  I said I wouldn't argue it but oWAR has Jeter 22.5 higher than JD.   OPS+ is a 155 to 116 landslide in favor of JD.  How much value do you put on 7 more seasons and 1200 more hits?  Having a guy of Jeter's quality for 20 seasons is pretty nice.  Plug him in the line-up and let him play for TWO DECADES.  Not too shabby.
8/8/2014 11:10 AM
I thought "more" was "better"?

8/8/2014 11:14 AM
I'll reiterate that, had JD not missed three prime seasons fighting Nazis, he'd unquestionably be #4.
8/8/2014 11:30 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/8/2014 11:10:00 AM (view original):
I thought "more" was "better"?

Do you not think more is better when it comes to most baseball stats?
8/8/2014 11:35 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/8/2014 11:01:00 AM (view original):
Meh.  I said I wouldn't argue it but oWAR has Jeter 22.5 higher than JD.   OPS+ is a 155 to 116 landslide in favor of JD.  How much value do you put on 7 more seasons and 1200 more hits?  Having a guy of Jeter's quality for 20 seasons is pretty nice.  Plug him in the line-up and let him play for TWO DECADES.  Not too shabby.
Even with 7 less seasons, DiMaggio's WAR is 78. Jeter's is 72.
8/8/2014 12:18 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/8/2014 11:01:00 AM (view original):
Meh.  I said I wouldn't argue it but oWAR has Jeter 22.5 higher than JD.   OPS+ is a 155 to 116 landslide in favor of JD.  How much value do you put on 7 more seasons and 1200 more hits?  Having a guy of Jeter's quality for 20 seasons is pretty nice.  Plug him in the line-up and let him play for TWO DECADES.  Not too shabby.
I'd argue the difference in something like OPS+ more than makes up for what Jeter complied in his career.  A difference of 155 OPS+ and 116 OPS+, this year, is about 150 points in OPS.  It's huge.  DiMaggio was a fantastic hitter in an era where there weren't many, and played a similarly difficult defensive position.
8/8/2014 12:29 PM
That's why I asked the value of another half career.    Do you want Joe D for 13 and whoever for the next 7 or Jeter for 20?
8/8/2014 12:35 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/8/2014 12:29:00 PM (view original):
That's why I asked the value of another half career.    Do you want Joe D for 13 and whoever for the next 7 or Jeter for 20?
DiMaggio still had more WAR than Jeter, despite the shorter career. So yeah, I'd rather have him for 13 and a probably better than replacement level player for 7 than Jeter for 20.
8/8/2014 1:32 PM
A couple things, here.  Jeter's played 18 seasons.  1995 and 2013 don't count.  So now it's 18 seasons for Jeter to 13 for DiMaggio.  So basically we're asking the extra 5 years of Jeter makes up for Joe DiMaggio.  I'd argue no.

Put this in a different way - in what was easily Jeter's best year, he went .349/.438/.552, 24 homers, 37 doubles.  Monster year.  I'd argue he should have finished 2nd that year to Manny in MVP voting (somehow he finished 6th, and Pudge got 1st).  That was good for a 153 OPS+...less than DiMaggio's average season.  DiMaggio had a better season than Jeter's best (and it was easily his best) 7 different times.  
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