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8/29/2014 7:08 PM
"As of 2013, 24 states had stop-and-identify laws. Regardless of your state’s law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you’re involved in illegal activity.

But how can you tell if an officer asking you to identify yourself has reasonable suspicion? Remember, police need reasonable suspicion to detain you. So one way to tell if they have reasonable suspicion is to determine if you’re free to go. You can do this by saying “Excuse me officer. Are you detaining me, or am I free to go?” If the officer says you’re free to go, leave immediately and don’t answer any more questions.

If you’re detained, you’ll have to decide if withholding your identity is worth the possibility of arrest or a prolonged detention. In cases of mistaken identity, revealing who you are might help to resolve the situation quickly. On the other hand, if you’re on parole in California, for example, revealing your identity could lead to a legal search. Knowing your state’s laws can help you make the best choice.

Remember that the officer’s decision to detain you will not always hold up in court. Reasonable suspicion is a vague legal standard, and police often make mistakes. So if you’re searched or arrested following an officer’s ID request, you may contact an attorney to discuss the incident and explore your legal options."


So basically the cops have the right to bring this guy to the station for declining to show his ID, in Minnesota. The courts can sort it out... Correct?
8/29/2014 7:17 PM
For the 478th time Minnesota is not a stop and identify state.
8/29/2014 7:29 PM (edited)
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:17:00 PM (view original):
For the 478th time Minnesota is not a stop and identify state.
They can still detain you if they feel there is reasonable cause. It doesn't matter if its a stop and identify state... Am I wrong?

Haven't you ever watched law and order.... I'm pretty sure its been around well before 2013.
"We can either do this here or we can do it at the station"
8/29/2014 7:35 PM
Sure. But it's clear from the first officer's interaction with him that they don't suspect him of a crime. Also, no one reported a crime.
8/29/2014 7:39 PM
So he refused to comply, not because he had anything to hide, but because he chose to be a dick to cop.

As I mentioned earlier, when you make a choice like that, don't expect the rest of your day to go as smoothly as you originally planned.


8/29/2014 7:41 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Sure. But it's clear from the first officer's interaction with him that they don't suspect him of a crime. Also, no one reported a crime.
So.... Back to mikes point. This guy can either show ID when they asked or go back to the station until the police can ID him. Reasonable cause is sorted out in court.... Not on the street. Once this guy goes down the racism road he's dug his own grave. I'm not saying the cops were right.... I'm saying this guy may have been right, but being right at the wrong time is wrong. He should have settled this in court and he'd have won without getting tased.
8/29/2014 7:43 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/29/2014 7:39:00 PM (view original):
So he refused to comply, not because he had anything to hide, but because he chose to be a dick to cop.

As I mentioned earlier, when you make a choice like that, don't expect the rest of your day to go as smoothly as you originally planned.


You realize the cops have a choice too, right?

Why are they held to a lower standard?
8/29/2014 7:43 PM
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2014 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Sure. But it's clear from the first officer's interaction with him that they don't suspect him of a crime. Also, no one reported a crime.
So.... Back to mikes point. This guy can either show ID when they asked or go back to the station until the police can ID him. Reasonable cause is sorted out in court.... Not on the street. Once this guy goes down the racism road he's dug his own grave. I'm not saying the cops were right.... I'm saying this guy may have been right, but being right at the wrong time is wrong. He should have settled this in court and he'd have won without getting tased.
That's not the way it works.
8/29/2014 7:45 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2014 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Sure. But it's clear from the first officer's interaction with him that they don't suspect him of a crime. Also, no one reported a crime.
So.... Back to mikes point. This guy can either show ID when they asked or go back to the station until the police can ID him. Reasonable cause is sorted out in court.... Not on the street. Once this guy goes down the racism road he's dug his own grave. I'm not saying the cops were right.... I'm saying this guy may have been right, but being right at the wrong time is wrong. He should have settled this in court and he'd have won without getting tased.
That's not the way it works.
Woah..... So legal issues or complaints are not handled in court? How are they handled? With riots? With calling people racist? How are they handled? Enlighten me, how DOES it work?
8/29/2014 7:45 PM
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2014 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Sure. But it's clear from the first officer's interaction with him that they don't suspect him of a crime. Also, no one reported a crime.
So.... Back to mikes point. This guy can either show ID when they asked or go back to the station until the police can ID him. Reasonable cause is sorted out in court.... Not on the street. Once this guy goes down the racism road he's dug his own grave. I'm not saying the cops were right.... I'm saying this guy may have been right, but being right at the wrong time is wrong. He should have settled this in court and he'd have won without getting tased.
Showing his ID was too much of a hassle.    HE KNOWS HIS RIGHTS!!!!!
8/29/2014 7:51 PM

Here's the thing.   He had options.   He chose the wrong one.  At some point, he had to recognize this.  Yet he continued down the same path.  So he was either too stupid to know things weren't going as planned or too stubborn to change directions.  

8/29/2014 7:51 PM
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2014 7:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2014 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Sure. But it's clear from the first officer's interaction with him that they don't suspect him of a crime. Also, no one reported a crime.
So.... Back to mikes point. This guy can either show ID when they asked or go back to the station until the police can ID him. Reasonable cause is sorted out in court.... Not on the street. Once this guy goes down the racism road he's dug his own grave. I'm not saying the cops were right.... I'm saying this guy may have been right, but being right at the wrong time is wrong. He should have settled this in court and he'd have won without getting tased.
That's not the way it works.
Woah..... So legal issues or complaints are not handled in court? How are they handled? With riots? With calling people racist? How are they handled? Enlighten me, how DOES it work?
If that was the way it worked, cops could detain anyone, anytime without reason. They actually have to suspect you of a crime to detain you.
8/29/2014 7:58 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2014 7:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2014 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Sure. But it's clear from the first officer's interaction with him that they don't suspect him of a crime. Also, no one reported a crime.
So.... Back to mikes point. This guy can either show ID when they asked or go back to the station until the police can ID him. Reasonable cause is sorted out in court.... Not on the street. Once this guy goes down the racism road he's dug his own grave. I'm not saying the cops were right.... I'm saying this guy may have been right, but being right at the wrong time is wrong. He should have settled this in court and he'd have won without getting tased.
That's not the way it works.
Woah..... So legal issues or complaints are not handled in court? How are they handled? With riots? With calling people racist? How are they handled? Enlighten me, how DOES it work?
If that was the way it worked, cops could detain anyone, anytime without reason. They actually have to suspect you of a crime to detain you.
So how DOES it work?

If a cop wanted to detain you, rightfully or not, do you fight it out with the cop or in court?
8/29/2014 7:59 PM
? They have to actually suspect you of a crime.
8/29/2014 8:16 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2014 7:59:00 PM (view original):
? They have to actually suspect you of a crime.
OK... I'll clarify....
Suspected (rightfully or not) of loitering, trying to rob a bank, mistaken identity, doesn't matter.... Do you fight it out with the cop or in court?
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