8/31/2014 1:08 AM (edited)
Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/30/2014 11:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by smokey57 on 8/30/2014 6:38:00 PM (view original):
I'm curious, which KG is the right one @ the 3 and which Oscar is right @ the point?
05-06 Garnett and 62-63 Oscar
Take the blinders off, you downgrade in every stat for a 1-2% efg, and 93% @ sf on Garnett is a little more than I'm willing to give up. '62' Oscar @ 22.7%ast @ point verses 26.7%ast for the '63'???  
8/31/2014 10:02 AM
Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/31/2014 12:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by thomcat on 8/30/2014 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Name Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
99-00 Shaquille O'Neal C 31.2 57.6 0.0 57.4 11.4 23.3 11.9 0.5 4.4
82-83 Alex English SF 28.9 51.5 18.0 51.7 8.6 11.1 13.3 1.4 2.0
05-06 Chauncey Billups PG 23.0 40.7 43.1 50.9 1.6 8.1 31.7 1.2 0.2
00-01 Clarence Weatherspoon SF 15.3 50.5 0.0 50.1 8.8 22.4 5.1 1.4 2.3
67-68 Red Robbins C 20.1 49.6 43.5 48.9 10.8 23.6 4.0 1.0 2.4
11-12 Tyson Chandler C 13.0 68.2 0.0 67.9 11.0 21.2 3.7 1.2 2.6
92-93 Chris Mullin SF 25.1 51.6 45.3 54.2 2.4 10.7 9.9 1.5 1.2

Starters:

efg%-  55.6
Def- 82.2
OR%- 41.4
DR%- 86.1
Ast%- 65.7
Usg%- 111.4 

English doesn't usually rise to this level but he does bring an all-around game with his very nice 77 D season.  He supplants Mullin at SG because of his defense, assists and offensive rebounding. Sorry, Mullin, but you also have the better off-the-bench season. We'll play a clean game with pretty good D, decent efficiency and I hope enough rebounding. We're marginal with the 3s, will have trouble making our FTs and we're a little light on the assists.  Always have trouble with enough offense coming off the bench. Robbins, though not spectacular, is a solid offensive contributor and should help out in that area.  As E mentioned, was damn lucky picking up Tyson in the 3rd round. 
Not sure what this team is really going to win games with; just looks pretty mediocre in every area to me, although not really a defensive weak spot, which is good. But the rebounding is just OK, assists are just OK, scoring is just OK.

It's not usually a good thing when you drop down to a lesser season of your 4th round pick to play a big minute season of your 6th round pick instead.

Don't know if this is a playoff team, but my point is that English is maybe a notch below McGrady and Drexler (although he does some things better than them), who typically go in the 3rd.  English usually goes undrafted, even 6-7, because he doesn't have that coming off the bench season. As a staring SG, though, he brings a lot to the table including getting some offensive rebounds, good assists, good D, big time scoring with reasonable efficiency, and a fairly clean game. Short on the 3 as is Drex, but in my mind, same ballpark as the other two.

Maybe we'll surprise, but I always think that.
8/31/2014 10:26 AM
Posted by smokey57 on 8/31/2014 1:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/30/2014 11:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by smokey57 on 8/30/2014 6:38:00 PM (view original):
I'm curious, which KG is the right one @ the 3 and which Oscar is right @ the point?
05-06 Garnett and 62-63 Oscar
Take the blinders off, you downgrade in every stat for a 1-2% efg, and 93% @ sf on Garnett is a little more than I'm willing to give up. '62' Oscar @ 22.7%ast @ point verses 26.7%ast for the '63'???  
I missed the "at the 3" part on Garnett, sorry about that, but I wouldn't draft Garnett to play him at the 3. You draft a guy in the first round to take his best season, IMO, regardless of position, and 05-06 is Garnett's best season, to play at PF/C. When you're talking about a guy with 25%+ usage, 2% is a big difference in efg%, plus 05-06 is a better free throw shooter and a better rebounder. Admittedly 02-03 is a better passer and defender, who can defend all three frontcourt positions, but the main thing you're paying for is extra minutes, that's all. Bottom line: in a $52 mil league, I am not using my first round pick on a lead/co-lead scorer with below average efg%, even when he brings as much to the table as Garnett.

Similar on Oscar. 3% efg is a huge difference for a high-usage guy. You've now built your team around two high-usage guys with below average efg% when you didn't have to. The 4% ast difference is negligible compared to the 3% efg on a guy with usage that high; not to mention, if you take Garnett and Oscar 1/2, you've already got almost 40% ast from two players even with the lower-assist versions I'm advocating. Plus yous Oscar has less rebounding and more turnovers (although fewer fouls and slightly more defense/steals). Bottom line, though, the most important thing in winning games is using possessions more efficiently than your opponents, and putting yourself behind the game in terms of efficiency in the first two rounds is not the right way to go about that.

Also, Chris Dudley. Shudder.

8/31/2014 10:34 AM
Posted by thomcat on 8/31/2014 10:04:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/31/2014 12:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by thomcat on 8/30/2014 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Name Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
99-00 Shaquille O'Neal C 31.2 57.6 0.0 57.4 11.4 23.3 11.9 0.5 4.4
82-83 Alex English SF 28.9 51.5 18.0 51.7 8.6 11.1 13.3 1.4 2.0
05-06 Chauncey Billups PG 23.0 40.7 43.1 50.9 1.6 8.1 31.7 1.2 0.2
00-01 Clarence Weatherspoon SF 15.3 50.5 0.0 50.1 8.8 22.4 5.1 1.4 2.3
67-68 Red Robbins C 20.1 49.6 43.5 48.9 10.8 23.6 4.0 1.0 2.4
11-12 Tyson Chandler C 13.0 68.2 0.0 67.9 11.0 21.2 3.7 1.2 2.6
92-93 Chris Mullin SF 25.1 51.6 45.3 54.2 2.4 10.7 9.9 1.5 1.2

Starters:

efg%-  55.6
Def- 82.2
OR%- 41.4
DR%- 86.1
Ast%- 65.7
Usg%- 111.4 

English doesn't usually rise to this level but he does bring an all-around game with his very nice 77 D season.  He supplants Mullin at SG because of his defense, assists and offensive rebounding. Sorry, Mullin, but you also have the better off-the-bench season. We'll play a clean game with pretty good D, decent efficiency and I hope enough rebounding. We're marginal with the 3s, will have trouble making our FTs and we're a little light on the assists.  Always have trouble with enough offense coming off the bench. Robbins, though not spectacular, is a solid offensive contributor and should help out in that area.  As E mentioned, was damn lucky picking up Tyson in the 3rd round. 
Not sure what this team is really going to win games with; just looks pretty mediocre in every area to me, although not really a defensive weak spot, which is good. But the rebounding is just OK, assists are just OK, scoring is just OK.

It's not usually a good thing when you drop down to a lesser season of your 4th round pick to play a big minute season of your 6th round pick instead.

Don't know if this is a playoff team, but my point is that English is maybe a notch below McGrady and Drexler (although he does some things better than them), who typically go in the 3rd.  English usually goes undrafted, even 6-7, because he doesn't have that coming off the bench season. As a staring SG, though, he brings a lot to the table including getting some offensive rebounds, good assists, good D, big time scoring with reasonable efficiency, and a fairly clean game. Short on the 3 as is Drex, but in my mind, same ballpark as the other two.

Maybe we'll surprise, but I always think that.
Agree that on paper English looks good, but there is a reason Drexler/McGrady, and guys like them, go in the 3rd while English often goes undrafted. he simply doesn't perform to expectation most of the time, and I think it's because of his dependence on midrange scoring and the era he played in. The 80s were so overpowered offensively, and so a lot of the guys from that era who look like studs often tend to underperform a bit in terms of shooting, especially the ones with high midrange scoring and not a lot of threes. I feel like someone relatively recently did have a good team with English, though (although I think it was the 55% shooting one), so maybe he'll do well for you.

I just don't understand why you'd ditch that monster 89-90 Mullin season. If you're drafting him in the 4th, that's the season you're drafting, and it's far superior to the 82-83 English, IMO. Why pick Mullin in the 4th to make him a backup?

8/31/2014 10:36 AM
Here's my team, so others can pick it apart the way I've picked theirs apart

Name Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
                       
    Dennis Rodman 91-92 Pistons PF 11.1 57.8 32.0 56.4 17.1 31.6 7.1 0.9 1.2
    Donyell Marshall 03-04 Raptors SF 19.9 50.3 40.3 53.5 7.6 22.4 5.5 1.5 2.5
    Manu Ginobili 07-08 Spurs SG 29.2 49.7 39.8 54.0 3.1 14.2 19.7 2.3 0.9
    Dirk Nowitzki 06-07 Mavericks PF 29.5 51.2 41.4 52.9 5.0 23.5 12.4 0.9 1.4
    Maurice Cheeks 85-86 76ers PG 16.0 53.8 24.5 53.9 1.8 5.9 26.7 2.6 0.5
    Eric Bledsoe 13-14 Suns PG 25.1 51.4 35.5 52.2 2.1 13.1 20.7 2.2 0.6
    Al Horford 12-13 Hawks PF 21.9 54.2 49.8 54.5 7.9 21.6 11.2 1.3 1.6


8/31/2014 10:55 AM
Sorry, I suck at the formatting.

Glad to use Rodman again. 3-4 years ago, I thought he was the easiest guy in the SIM to build around. I don't think that anymore, but it was nice to have that monster rebounding (for 40+ mpg) in pocket as I was building my team.  Helped me consider, then draft, a guy like Cheeks, who has such low rebounding that I rarely can make him work.

I am still waffling on seasons for two guys, that could really make my team look different: Cheeks and Horford. I have the 3300 minute Cheeks locked in now, to keep his defense on the court longer and have higher assists, but I may switch down to the 2500 minute one with 57% efg. As for Horford, right now I have his great 12-13 season locked in as a supersub, to back up all three frontcourt positions, but I may take his most recent 900-minute season (with higher usage) to just backup Nowitzki, and plug other guys in behind Rodman and Marshall.

I like this team; solid D in the starting lineup, although no D off the bench yet. efg% is solid across the board, although not really standout. We shoot the three pretty well, although not a ton of them, since I took a non-shooting PG. If I drop down to the 2500 min Cheeks, we may end up with more. Rebounds are pretty solid, although won't be great when Rodman is off the floor due to fatigue/fouls. Not a monster team by any stretch, but I think it should make the playoffs.
8/31/2014 11:26 AM
how do you start out with Rodman and still not get close to 40% Orbd? (also I don't like you for taking Bledsoe right before my pick, that was cruel)
8/31/2014 11:29 AM
Def    Name Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
88   Patrick Ewing 89-90 Knicks C 29.4 54.9 25.3 55.1 8.1 21.0 6.6 1.0 5.5
36   Swen Nater 74-75 Spurs C 17.4 54.2 0.0 54.2 13.3 32.5 3.8 0.6 1.6
99   Elton Brand 06-07 Clippers PF 24.7 53.0 100.0 53.3 10.1 17.6 10.6 1.2 3.6
90   Michael Jordan 89-90 Bulls SG 33.7 54.5 37.9 55.0 5.0 15.1 18.1 3.1 1.0
90   Mookie Blaylock 94-95 Hawks PG 22.7 47.8 35.7 50.8 4.1 10.3 26.7 3.0 0.5
61   Cory Alexander 97-98 Nuggets PG 19.9 45.6 41.1 52.5 1.3 13.1 25.5 2.6 0.5
42   Marcin Gortat 10-11 Suns C 18.4 56.3 24.8 56.4 7.4 26.6 4.0 0.8 2.4
8/31/2014 11:36 AM
Posted by felonius on 8/31/2014 11:27:00 AM (view original):
how do you start out with Rodman and still not get close to 40% Orbd? (also I don't like you for taking Bledsoe right before my pick, that was cruel)
yeah, I know - orb% ended up being, honestly, a slight weakness, even with Rodman. drb% is very solid, but weaker than I'd like on the offensive glass. It's the combined 7% or so of Nowitzki and Cheeks that's the killer.  Needed the Cheeks D, though, and guys with 80+ D, 20+ ast, and good O-reb aren't exactly plentiful in the 5th round.


Had my eyes on Bledsoe all the way and didn't think he'd make it. Absolutely perfect backup for Manu.
8/31/2014 11:44 AM
Posted by felonius on 8/31/2014 11:29:00 AM (view original):
Def    Name Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
88   Patrick Ewing 89-90 Knicks C 29.4 54.9 25.3 55.1 8.1 21.0 6.6 1.0 5.5
36   Swen Nater 74-75 Spurs C 17.4 54.2 0.0 54.2 13.3 32.5 3.8 0.6 1.6
99   Elton Brand 06-07 Clippers PF 24.7 53.0 100.0 53.3 10.1 17.6 10.6 1.2 3.6
90   Michael Jordan 89-90 Bulls SG 33.7 54.5 37.9 55.0 5.0 15.1 18.1 3.1 1.0
90   Mookie Blaylock 94-95 Hawks PG 22.7 47.8 35.7 50.8 4.1 10.3 26.7 3.0 0.5
61   Cory Alexander 97-98 Nuggets PG 19.9 45.6 41.1 52.5 1.3 13.1 25.5 2.6 0.5
42   Marcin Gortat 10-11 Suns C 18.4 56.3 24.8 56.4 7.4 26.6 4.0 0.8 2.4
Classic felonius squad - big efg% from the central scorers and big boards. Not my favorite Mookie, but with great scoring from Ewing and Jordan it makes sense, I suppose, to get the better D/assists from him. You need the assists for sure, because that's one of your weaker points  (starting lineup is fine, but it will be tough to find good backups for Brand/Jordan that can bring the same kind of assists).  Defense is very good, which will cover for Nater, although still might want to add some D on the bench as well.

There is too much usage, and while that doesn't necessarily hurt, as you pointed out earlier, it does mean the stars likely won't reach their full scoring potential. The good news is that it means you don't need exact usage replacements off the bench, which is nice.

Looks like a pretty good team to me.  My biggest worries would be fouls and turnovers; if going uptempo, this team could have 20 of each per game, and will produce a few of those 25 TO/28 PF games that can kill you.


8/31/2014 11:53 AM
I am not sure about that squad heel. Not insane efg.. Rebounding not great thanks to Dirk. Some good defenders but not much rim protection. I think you are looking at 45 wins.
8/31/2014 11:58 AM
I love felons two headed monster of MJ and Ewing. I also think the team would be better if one of your other starters had less usage. I like the blocks from Brand at the 3. I think I like this team a bit more than heels.
8/31/2014 12:09 PM

tar my squad's aggregate/5 on the floor TOV rate is 13% but that wont stop those 25/28 games from happening either way

8/31/2014 12:21 PM
Here's my lineup, liking it very much.  Finished some more evals, hopefully I can finish by days end

Name Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk% D
Magic Johnson 88-89 Lakers PG 24.3 54.5 31.8 53.5 4.3 17 37.7 2 0.4 54
Walt Frazier 69-70 Knicks PG 20.8 55.1 33.6 54.1 4.2 10.2 21.5 1.8 0.5 90
Larry Bird 86-87 Celtics SF 27.5 54.4 40.9 55.5 4.8 18.3 20.5 1.9 1.2 76
Larry Sanders 12-13 Bucks PF 17 50.6 0 50.6 11.3 24.2 5.4 1.2 5.9 92
Robert Parish 80-81 Celtics C 27.1 54.1 0 54.5 12 23.3 6.9 1.4 5 91
Jamario Moon 07-08 Raptors SF 14.7 52.5 32.6 52 4.8 20.4 5.3 1.8 3 92
Andrew Bynum 10-11 Lakers C 17.7 57.1 0 57.4 12.4 23 6.2 0.6 4.1 68


8/31/2014 12:47 PM
Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/31/2014 10:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by thomcat on 8/31/2014 10:04:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/31/2014 12:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by thomcat on 8/30/2014 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Name Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
99-00 Shaquille O'Neal C 31.2 57.6 0.0 57.4 11.4 23.3 11.9 0.5 4.4
82-83 Alex English SF 28.9 51.5 18.0 51.7 8.6 11.1 13.3 1.4 2.0
05-06 Chauncey Billups PG 23.0 40.7 43.1 50.9 1.6 8.1 31.7 1.2 0.2
00-01 Clarence Weatherspoon SF 15.3 50.5 0.0 50.1 8.8 22.4 5.1 1.4 2.3
67-68 Red Robbins C 20.1 49.6 43.5 48.9 10.8 23.6 4.0 1.0 2.4
11-12 Tyson Chandler C 13.0 68.2 0.0 67.9 11.0 21.2 3.7 1.2 2.6
92-93 Chris Mullin SF 25.1 51.6 45.3 54.2 2.4 10.7 9.9 1.5 1.2

Starters:

efg%-  55.6
Def- 82.2
OR%- 41.4
DR%- 86.1
Ast%- 65.7
Usg%- 111.4 

English doesn't usually rise to this level but he does bring an all-around game with his very nice 77 D season.  He supplants Mullin at SG because of his defense, assists and offensive rebounding. Sorry, Mullin, but you also have the better off-the-bench season. We'll play a clean game with pretty good D, decent efficiency and I hope enough rebounding. We're marginal with the 3s, will have trouble making our FTs and we're a little light on the assists.  Always have trouble with enough offense coming off the bench. Robbins, though not spectacular, is a solid offensive contributor and should help out in that area.  As E mentioned, was damn lucky picking up Tyson in the 3rd round. 
Not sure what this team is really going to win games with; just looks pretty mediocre in every area to me, although not really a defensive weak spot, which is good. But the rebounding is just OK, assists are just OK, scoring is just OK.

It's not usually a good thing when you drop down to a lesser season of your 4th round pick to play a big minute season of your 6th round pick instead.

Don't know if this is a playoff team, but my point is that English is maybe a notch below McGrady and Drexler (although he does some things better than them), who typically go in the 3rd.  English usually goes undrafted, even 6-7, because he doesn't have that coming off the bench season. As a staring SG, though, he brings a lot to the table including getting some offensive rebounds, good assists, good D, big time scoring with reasonable efficiency, and a fairly clean game. Short on the 3 as is Drex, but in my mind, same ballpark as the other two.

Maybe we'll surprise, but I always think that.
Agree that on paper English looks good, but there is a reason Drexler/McGrady, and guys like them, go in the 3rd while English often goes undrafted. he simply doesn't perform to expectation most of the time, and I think it's because of his dependence on midrange scoring and the era he played in. The 80s were so overpowered offensively, and so a lot of the guys from that era who look like studs often tend to underperform a bit in terms of shooting, especially the ones with high midrange scoring and not a lot of threes. I feel like someone relatively recently did have a good team with English, though (although I think it was the 55% shooting one), so maybe he'll do well for you.

I just don't understand why you'd ditch that monster 89-90 Mullin season. If you're drafting him in the 4th, that's the season you're drafting, and it's far superior to the 82-83 English, IMO. Why pick Mullin in the 4th to make him a backup?

That's been my biggest struggle- whether or not to push Mullin out of the starting lineup. Original intention was to start Mullin. Needed more usage off the bench and had English, who I knew would not go before round 6, and a few others in mind for that purpose. Although he did not have a good coming off the bench season, English offered more than the others. Basically it came down to an English and a half a Mullin vs. a full Mullin and something less than half a Mullin :) My secondary dilemma is whether to go with the 55 efg%  English or the better D version. Still working on that one. I also like the mid range game of English complementing Shaq's inside and Chauncey's perimeter games. 
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