Fall 2014 Franchise Tournament Topic

I have posted below the eligible team-seasons for each of the original 16 franchises based on the names used in the WIS database (there are some discrepancies with the names used by www.baseball-reference.com) If anyone finds any inaccuracies in the lists below, please let me know.

Each owner must have exactly one of these, and each franchise can only be chosen once.

1. Atlanta Braves Taken by mcurio1
1885-1906 Boston Beaneaters (NL)
1907-1910 Boston Doves (NL)
1911-1935 Boston Braves (NL)
1936-1940 Boston Bees (NL)
1941-1952 Boston Braves (NL)
1953-1965 Milwaukee Braves (NL)
1966-2014 Atlanta Braves (NL)

2. Chicago Cubs Taken by schwarze
1885-1889 Chicago White Stockings (NL)
1890-1897 Chicago Colts (NL)
1898-1902 Chicago Orphans (NL)
1903-2014 Chicago Cubs (NL)

3. Cincinnati Reds Taken by thejuice6
1885-1889 Cincinnati Red Stockings (AA)
1890-2014 Cincinnati Reds (NL)

4. Los Angeles Dodgers Taken by pmars2001
1885-1886 Brooklyn Grays (AA)
1887 Brooklyn Dodgers (AA)
1888-1889 Brooklyn Bridegrooms (AA)
1890-1898 Brooklyn Bridegrooms (NL)
1899-1910 Brooklyn Superbas (NL)
1911-1915 Brooklyn Dodgers (NL)
1916-1930 Brooklyn Robins (NL)
1931-1957 Brooklyn Dodgers (NL)
1958-2014 Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)

5. Philadelphia Phillies Taken by deathdealer
1885-1889 Philadelphia Quakers (NL)
1890-1943 Philadelphia Phillies (NL)
1944-1945 Philadelphia Blue Jays (NL)
1946-2014 Philadelphia Phillies (NL)

6. Pittsburgh Pirates Taken by pedrocerrano
1885-1886 Pittsburgh Alleghenys (AA)
1887-1890 Pittsburgh Alleghenys (NL)
1891-2014 Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)

7. San Francisco Giants Taken by DarthDurron
1885-1957 New York Giants (NL)
1958-2014 San Francisco Giants (NL)

8. St. Louis Cardinals Taken by calhoop
1885-1891 St. Louis Browns (AA)
1892-1898 St. Louis Browns (NL)
1899 St. Louis Perfectos (NL)
1900-2014 St. Louis Cardinals (NL)

9. Baltimore Orioles Taken by rickysdad44
1901 Milwaukee Brewers (AL)
1902-1953 St. Louis Browns (AL)
1954-2014 Baltimore Orioles (AL)

10. Boston Red Sox Taken by Yaz2Schill
1901-1907 Boston Americans (AL)
1908-2014 Boston Red Sox (AL)

11. Chicago White Sox Taken by shawbigred
1901-2014 Chicago White Sox (AL)

12. Cleveland Indians Taken by buddhagamer
1901-1902 Cleveland Blues (AL)
1903-1915 Cleveland Naps (AL)
1916-2014 Cleveland Indians (AL)

13. Detroit Tigers Taken by BatandBall
1901-2014 Detroit Tigers (AL)

14. Minnesota Twins Taken by contrarian23
1901-1960 Washington Senators (AL)
1961-2014 Minnesota Twins (AL)

15. New York Yankees Taken by italyprof 
1903-1912 New York Highlanders (AL)
1913-2014 New York Yankees (AL)
(Note that the 1901-02 Baltimore Orioles are no longer considered part of the Yankees franchise...these Orioles are now considered a defunct franchise and are listed in the post below.)

16. Oakland Athletics Taken by fortywins
1901-1954 Philadelphia Athletics (AL)
1955-1967 Kansas City Athletics (AL)
1968-2014 Oakland Athletics (AL)

10/2/2014 10:10 PM (edited)

Expansion/Defunct Franchises - There are 52 total expansion/defunct franchises. Each owner must have exactly one of these, and each of these can be chosen only once. 

Defunct Franchises: 

1. Baltimore Orioles: 1885-1891 (A.A.) / Baltimore Orioles: 1892-1899 (N.L.) - Taken by pedrocerrano

2. Baltimore Orioles: 1901-1902 (A.L.)

3. Baltimore Terrapins: 1914-1915 (F.L.)

4. Boston Reds: 1890 (P.L.) / Boston Reds: 1891 (A.A.)

5. Brooklyn Feds: 1914-1915 (F.L.)

6. Brooklyn Gladiators: 1890 (A.A.)

7. Brooklyn Wonders: 1890 (P.L.)

8. Buffalo Bisons: 1885 (N.L.)

9. Buffalo Bisons: 1890 (P.L.)

10. Buffalo Feds: 1914-1915 (F.L.)

11. Chicago Pirates: 1890 (P.L.)

12. Chicago Whales: 1914-1915 (F.L.)

13. Cincinnati Kelly's Killers: 1891 (A.A.)

14. Cleveland Infants: 1890 (P.L.)

15. Cleveland Blues: 1887-1888 (A.A.) / Cleveland Spiders: 1889-1899 (N.L.)

16. Columbus Solons: 1889-1891 (A.A.)

17. Detroit Wolverines: 1885-1888 (N.L.)

18. Indianapolis Hoosiers: 1887-1889 (N.L.)

19. Indianapolis Hoosier-Feds: 1914 / Newark Peppers: 1915 (FL)

20. Kansas City Cowboys: 1886 (N.L.)

21. Kansas City Cowboys: 1888-1889 (A.A.)

22. Kansas City Packers: 1914-1915 (F.L.)

23. Louisville Colonels: 1885-1891 (A.A.) / Louisville Colonels: 1892-1899 (N.L.) - Taken by Yaz2Schill

24. Milwaukee Brewers: 1891 (A.A.)

25. New York Giants: 1890 (P.L.)

26. New York Metropolitans: 1885-1887 (A.A.)

27. Philadelphia Athletics: 1890 (P.L.) / Philadelphia Athletics: 1891 (A.A.)

28. Philadelphia Athletics: 1885-1890 (A.A.)

29. Pittsburgh Burghers: 1890 (P.L.)

30. Pittsburgh Rebels: 1914-1915 (F.L.)

31. Providence Grays: 1885 (N.L.)

32. Rochester Broncos: 1890 (A.A.)

33. St. Louis Maroons: 1885-1886 (N.L.)

34. St. Louis Terriers: 1914-1915 (F.L.)

35. Syracuse Stars: 1890 (A.A.)

36. Toledo Maumees: 1890 (A.A.)

37. Washington Nationals: 1886-1889 (N.L.)

38. Washington Statesmen: 1891 (A.A.) / Washington Senators: 1892-1899 (N.L.)


Expansion Franchises:
1. ANGELS: Taken by fortywins
Los Angeles Angels: 1961-1964 (A.L.)
California Angels: 1965-1996 (A.L.)
Anaheim Angels: 1997-2005 (A.L.)
Los Angeles Angels: 2006-2007 (A.L.)
Anaheim Angels: 2008-2014 (A.L.)

2. ASTROS: Taken by rickysdad44
Houston Colt .45's: 1962-1964 (N.L.)
Houston Astros: 1965-2012 (N.L.)
Houston Astros: 2013-2014 (A.L.)

3. BLUE JAYS: - Taken by buddhagamer
Toronto Blue Jays: 1977-2014 (A.L.)

4. BREWERS: - Taken by shawbigred
Seattle Pilots: 1969 (A.L.)
Milwaukee Brewers: 1970-1997 (A.L.)
Milwaukee Brewers: 1998-2014 (N.L.)

5. DIAMONDBACKS: - Taken by DarthDurron
Arizona Diamondbacks: 1998-2014 (N.L.)

6. MARINERS: Taken by contrarian23
Seattle Mariners: 1977-2014 (A.L.)

7. MARLINS: - Taken by Pmars2001
Florida Marlins: 1993-2011 (N.L.)
Miami Marlins: 2012-2014 (N.L.)

8. METS: Taken by thejuice6
New York Mets: 1962-2014 (N.L.)

9. NATIONALS:   Taken by batandball
Montreal Expos: 1969-2004 (N.L.)
Washington Nationals: 2005-2014 (N.L.)

10. PADRES: Taken by deathdealer
San Diego Padres: 1969-2014 (N.L.)

11. RANGERS:  Taken by mcurio1 
Washington Senators: 1961-1971 (A.L.)
Texas Rangers: 1972-2014 (A.L.)

12. RAYS: - Taken by italyprof
Tampa Bay Devil Rays: 1998-2007 (A.L.)
Tampa Bay Rays: 2008-2014 (A.L.)

13. ROCKIES: - Taken by calhoop
Colorado Rockies: 1993-2014 (N.L.)

14. ROYALS:  Taken by schwarze
Kansas City Royals: 1969-2014 (A.L.)

10/4/2014 7:17 PM (edited)
Here's our list of owners, numbered 1-16, in the order in which they signed up:

1. contrarian23
2. buddhagamer (2013 champ)
3. rickysdad44
4. shawbigred
5. DarthDurron
6. schwarze
7. Yaz2Schill
8. italyprof
9. calhoop
10. deathdealer
11. fortywins
12. pedrocerrano
13. mcurio1
14. thejuice6
15. Batandball
16. Pmars2001

And here's the random order generated by crazystengel (he posted this in the league signup thread, if anyone wants to verify):

Here is your sequence:

13 8 5 16 4 7 11 6 2 12 15 9 10 1 3 14

Timestamp: 2014-09-28 16:45:12 UTC

So our first round draft order will be

1. mcurio1
2. italyprof
3. DarthDurron
4. Pmars2001
5. shawbigred
6. Yaz2Schill
7. fortywins
8. schwarze
9. buddhagamer
10. pedrocerrano
11. Batandball
12. calhoop
13. deathdealer
14. contrarian23
15. rickysdad44
16. thejuice6

Round 2 will be the reverse of that order.

Sitemail list: contrarian23; buddhagamer; rickysdad44; shawbigred; darthdurron; schwarze; yaz2schill; italyprof;calhoop; deathdealer; fortywins; pedrocerrano; mcurio1; thejuice6; batandball; pmars2001

10/1/2014 4:44 PM (edited)
Owners may now begin trading draft slots if they so choose.

The draft will begin ~48 hours after WIS releases the 2014 players...probably sometime later this week.
9/28/2014 2:42 PM
Please use THIS thread, not the league signup thread, to post any trades.  We will also use this thread for the draft itself.
9/28/2014 2:43 PM
League rules, reposted here:

Concept:

This will be a 16-team, 5-season tournament, based on a franchise theme, with all 5 leagues running simultaneously. The leagues will be different caps: 60M, 80M, 90M, 100M, and 120M.


Each owner will enter 5 teams, one at each cap. Your rosters will be built from two historical franchises – one of which will be an “original 16 franchise” (the franchises that existed in MLB as of 1903), and the other of which will be either an expansion franchise or a now-defunct franchise.

 

Franchises will be selected in a two round draft. Once the league is full, I will ask a HOF owner who is not in the league to do a random drawing for us at random.org. This will generate the first round draft order, and the second round will be in reverse order.

 

There are two important rules affecting roster creation:

1.) Each “original 16 franchise” can be a selected by a maximum of one owner. Once an owner has selected the Yankees, they are off the table. Likewise each expansion/defunct franchise can only be selected once. So there will be only one version (max) of the Houston Astros/Colt 45s in this league. Please see below for more detail on what is meant by “franchises.”

2.) Your five teams can be built using any combination of players from either of your two franchises (no twisting – you must use seasons when they actually played for 1 of your 2 franchises.) But here’s the catch, you may not use any player more than once across your five teams. So each owner will be using 125 different players across your five teams. If you pick the Yankees as your “original” franchise, you can use one of the Babe’s Yankee seasons exactly once in your five teams. Up to you where you put him, but you only get him once. Of course, whoever picks the Red Sox can also use one version of Ruth (drawn from the 1915-19 seasons) and theoretically the Braves franchise could also use Ruth once, the 1935 version. Note that this restriction applies even if you have a player who happened to appear for both of your franchises. If you have the Braves and the Padres, you can still only use Greg Maddux once. 125 different players, no exceptions.


So this tournament will be a test not just of historical franchise quality, but of depth. It will reward owners who can do their research and manage effectively at five different caps. You’ll need to put together 5 different starting rotations, one for each cap, using completely different players each time. We should see some very interesting strategies here. If you’re using the Braves, do you burn Greg Maddux with his great 1994 or 1995 season at a higher cap, or use a lesser version of Maddux at 60M or 80M, where he might actually be more dominant? Choose wisely, because you only get to use him once. And of course the same thing goes for your position players.


The leagues will start shortly after the 2014 players are released by WIS (the new release usually happens within a couple of days of the end of the MLB regular season), to allow plenty of time for team-building, and 2014 players will be eligible for this tournament.


Other details:

DH: No
Park: You may use any park that either of your franchises used at any time in their history. You can use the same park for all 5 leagues, or 5 different parks, or any combination.
Trades: No
Waiver Wire: No
Injuries: On
AAA: No
Clones: No (duh)
Live: No
Realignment: Random. Each league will randomly realigned exactly once, letting the cards fall where they may.
League Format: Alternate WIS Format E (Four 4-team divisions, interleague play allowed)


There will be no 200K exemptions. All 25 of your players on each roster must come from your franchises. Because there will be no AAA players, no trades, no waiver wire, and injuries will be on, please be sure to draft enough PA and IP to get through the season.

Standings and Prizes:

Last year WIS offered us $100 in prizes for this tournament. I am expecting a similar amount this season, but this has not been finalized yet.


Overall standings will be calculated exactly as they are in schwarze’s WIS Championship:

· 1 point for each game that your teams win (including regular season and playoffs)

· 5 points for making the playoffs

· 5 points for winning a post season series


So the World Series winner for each league will receive 23 bonus points on top of their regular season win total (5 bonus points for winning the division, 5 bonus point for winning the LCS, 5 bonus points for winning the World Series, plus 8 points for winning 8 postseason games).


The owner with the most overall points across the five leagues will collect 60% of the overall prize money. 2nd place owner will collect 25%. 3rd place owner will collect 15%.

Important note on franchises: "Franchise" in this theme refers to the entire history of a franchise as defined by www.baseball-reference.com. Many franchises moved cities or changed names - and even in some cases changed leagues - across their history. You can use any player from your franchise's history. Please do your homework to understand what team/seasons are included within each franchise. I will be diligently checking rosters, but on the slim chance that an error slips past me and you end up using an illegal player, that team will (a) be ineligible for the postseason in its league and (b) be counted as going 0-162 for the purposes of calculating the overall standings. In other words, the use of even a single ineligible player will basically eliminate any chances you have of winning the tournament.


The bible for franchise lineage is
www.baseball-reference.com, and this thread has very detailed information. If you have any questions as to whether a player is eligible for your franchise, please ask.

10/3/2014 8:31 PM (edited)
Also, WIS has only offered us $80 in prizes this season.  I will personally kick in a $20 gift certificate to make the total $100.  First place winner will get $60, second place $25, third place $15.
9/28/2014 2:51 PM
I was blessed enough to win the #1 pick overall... and stupid enough to trade out of it. Just too afraid to screw it up and then have to take whatever is left at 32.

In what could be the ultimate backfire, I have agreed to swap positions with Calhoop.
He gets draft slots Round 1, Pick 1 and Round 2, Pick 16. I get Round 1, Pick 12, and Round 2, Pick 5.

Calhoop to confirm.
9/30/2014 3:37 PM
Posted by mcurio1 on 9/30/2014 3:37:00 PM (view original):
I was blessed enough to win the #1 pick overall... and stupid enough to trade out of it. Just too afraid to screw it up and then have to take whatever is left at 32.

In what could be the ultimate backfire, I have agreed to swap positions with Calhoop.
He gets draft slots Round 1, Pick 1 and Round 2, Pick 16. I get Round 1, Pick 12, and Round 2, Pick 5.

Calhoop to confirm.
Confirming this draft position trade.
9/30/2014 4:01 PM
Draft Results

Round 1

1. calhoop (from mcurio1) -- Original Franchise St Louis Cardinals
2. italyprof - Original Franchise New York Yankees
3. DarthDurron - Original Franchise NY/SF Giants
4. Pmars2001 - Original Franchise BKN/LA Dodgers
5. shawbigred - Original Franchise Chicago White Sox
6. Yaz2Schill - Original Franchise Boston Red Sox
7. fortywins - Original Franchise PHI/KC/OAK Athletics
8. pedrocerrano (from schwarze) - Original franchise Pittsburgh Pirates
9. buddhagamer - Original franchise Cleveland Indians
10. schwarze (from pedrocerrano) - Original franchise Chicago Cubs
11. Batandball - Original franchise Detroit Tigers
12. mcurio1 (from calhoop) - Original franchise BOS/MKE/ATL Braves
13. deathdealer - Original franchise Philadelphia Phillies
14. contrarian23 - Original franchise Senators/Twins
15. rickysdad44 - Expansion Franchise Astros
16. thejuice6 - Original Franchise Reds

Round 2
17. thejuice6 - Expansion Franchise Mets
18. rickysdad44 - Original Franchise Browns/Orioles
19. contrarian23 - Expansion Franchise Mariners
20. deathdealer - Expansion Franchise Padres
21. mcurio1 - Expansion Franchise Senators/Rangers
22. batandball - Expansion Franchise Expos/Nationals
23. schwarze - Expansion Franchise Royals
24. buddhagamer - Expansion Franchise Blue Jays
25. pedrocerrano - Defunct Franchise Orioles (1885-1899)
26. fortywins - Expansion Franchise Angels
27. Yaz2Schill - Defunct Franchise Colonels
28. shawbigred - Expansion Franchise Brewers
29. Pmars2001 - Expansion Franchise Marlins
30. DarthDurron - Expansion Franchise Diamondbacks
31. italyprof - Expansion Franchise Rays
32. calhoop - Expansion Franchise Rockies
10/4/2014 7:18 PM (edited)
By the way, the draft can of course start now...the important thing about the Thursday 10AM deadline is that draft picks may no longer be traded after that point.

calhoop is free to make his pick if he so chooses.

Please do make sure to be very very very clear exactly what franchise you are choosing, based on the descriptions above.  Posting "Baltimore Orioles" is not helpful.
9/30/2014 4:31 PM
Ready to roll with :

8. St. Louis Cardinals

1885-1891 St. Louis Browns (AA)
1892-1898 St. Louis Browns (NL)
1899 St. Louis Perfectos (NL)
1900-2014 St. Louis Cardinals (NL)


9/30/2014 5:37 PM
We are underway. Please note that the draft is off the clock. As long as we may make decent progress, I will keep us off the clock.
9/30/2014 5:42 PM
New York Highlanders/New York Yankees
9/30/2014 5:55 PM
New York/San Francisco Giants (1885-2014)
9/30/2014 10:28 PM
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