Rule V Leg #46 - Draft Thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Angels and Twins have won recently), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.  Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete.  We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible.  Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2014) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA


No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2014
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  The scumbag finally won a couple of championships.  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

New Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
10/22/2014 10:18 AM
Player Draft Order.  Franchises that have been taken are marked in RED.

Worst-to-Best rankings (removing best & worst seasons)

Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 5 314 496 0.3877
2 D'backs 11 769 1013 0.4315
3 Tigers 17 1224 1530 0.4444
4 Pirates 16 1206 1386 0.4653
5 White Sox 8 610 686 0.4707
6 Rockies 11 858 924 0.4815
7 Rangers 18 1412 1505 0.4841
8 Twins 22 1732 1833 0.4858
9 Angels 17 1342 1412 0.4873
10 Blue Jays 23 1821 1906 0.4886
11 Orioles 21 1676 1727 0.4925
12 Padres 22 1772 1792 0.4972
13 Brewers 22 1774 1793 0.4973
14 Expos 27 2179 2198 0.4978
15 Marlins 18 1464 1454 0.5017
16 Mariners 26 2118 2095 0.5027
17 Mets 25 2040 2011 0.5036
18 Phillies 27 2206 2171 0.5040
19 Indians 27 2211 2164 0.5054
20 Cubs 19 1559 1519 0.5065
21 Red Sox 27 2223 2152 0.5081
22 Braves 26 2143 2069 0.5088
23 Giants 26 2147 2066 0.5096
24 Reds 21 1749 1654 0.5140
25 Royals 24 2011 1878 0.5171
26 Cardinals 27 2270 2105 0.5189
27 Yankees 23 1962 1764 0.5266
28 Dodgers 26 2252 1961 0.5345
29 A's 27 2358 2017 0.5390
30 Astros 27 2399 1976 0.5483
10/25/2014 11:29 PM (edited)
Franchise Draft Order (timed Thursday 10/23)
  1. tridentric 62-100 .383                Los Angeles Dodgers^
  2. sinfonian11 66-96 .407            Chicago Cubs^
  3. dilligafdbp 72-90 .444               Toronto Blue Jays^
  4. twfan 73-89 .451                         Cincinnati Reds^
  5. tjefferson 76-86 .469                 Miami Marlins^
  6. specsman 77-85 .475               New York Mets^
  7. spoonfed 77-85 .475                 Houston Astros^
  8. mllama54 78-84 .481                St. Louis Cardinals^
  9. ff09 78-84 .481                            Detroit Tigers^
  10. spikeboots 79-83 .488              San Francisco Giants^
  11. alleyviper 79-83 .488                 Seattle Mariners^
  12. marlowe 80-82 .494                  Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^
  13. Robin4 80-82 .494                     Kansas City Royals^
  14. trenchfoot 82-80 .506                 Milwaukee Brewers^
  15. llcoach 83-79 .512                     Philadelphia Phillies
  16. deathdealer 86-76 .531            Tampa Bay Rays^
  17. mussopini23 83-79 .512*        Oakland Athletics^
  18. buddhagamer 85-77 .525*       Boston Red Sox^
  19. koyunlu 87-75 .537*                   Colorado Rockies^
  20. pumpkinmcp 89-73 .549*         Cleveland Indians
  21. shaybee 94-68 .580*                 New York Yankees^
  22. rbow923 101-61 .623*               Baltimore Orioles^
  23. alice 92-70 .568%                      Atlanta Braves
  24. dvorr80 85-77 .525$                   Pittsburgh Pirates^
^ 3rd round keeper sent
* playoff team
% WS Runner-Up
$ WS Champion

Owner list for sitemailing: tridentric; sinfonian11; dilligafdbp; twfan; specsman; spoonfed; mllama54; ff09; spikeboots; alleyviper; marlowe; Robin4; trenchfoot; llcoach; deathdealer; mussopini23; buddhagamer; koyunlu; pumpkinmcp; shaybee; rbow923; alice; dvorr80

Division Alignment:

NL East: Phillies, Mets, Expos/Nationals, Marlins
NL Central: Reds, Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates
NL West: Dodgers, Giants, Braves, Rockies
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL Central: Rays, Tigers, Indians, Brewers
AL West: Astros, Athletics, Royals, Mariners

11/3/2014 11:33 PM (edited)
Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Tuesday 10/28)                                                       Off the Board
  1. deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays:                                    Bob Gibson - STL
  2. ff09 - Detroit Tigers:                                                         JR Richard - HOU
  3. dvorr80 - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                          Orel Hershiser - LAD
  4. koyunlu - Colorado Rockies:                                          Joe Morgan - CIN
  5. dilligafdbp - Toronto Blue Jays:                                     Carlton Fisk - BOS
  6. rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles:                                         Rickey Henderson - NYY
  7. trenchfoot - Milwaukee Brewers:                                    Tim Lincecum - SFG
  8. marlowe - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:    Nomar Garciaparra - BOS               Boston Red Sox
  9. tjefferson - Miami Marlins:                                               Mark McGwire - STL                         St. Louis Cardinals
  10. alleyviper - Seattle Mariners:                                           Pedro Martinez - NYM
  11. specsman - New York Mets:                                           Hank Aaron - ATL
  12. llcoach - Philadelphia Phillies:                                       Hideo Nomo - LAD                              Los Angeles Dodgers
  13. pumpkinmcp - Cleveland Indians:                                 Roger Nelson - KCR
  14. sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs:                                          Barry Larkin - CIN                               Cincinnati Reds
  15. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox:                                   John Olerud - TOR
  16. alice - Atlanta Braves:                                                       Jose Vidro - MON/WSH
  17. spikeboots - San Francisco Giants:                              Mark Eichhorn - TOR                         Toronto Blue Jays
  18. twfan - Cincinnati Reds:                                                   Don Wilson - HOU                               Houston Astros
  19. Robin4 - Kansas City Royals:                                         Jay Bell - PIT
  20. mllama54 - St. Louis Cardinals:                                     Tim Hudson - OAK
  21. shaybee - New York Yankees:                                          Kevin Mitchell - SFG                          San Francisco Giants
  22. tridentric - Los Angeles Dodgers:                                    Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  23. mussopini23 - Oakland Athletics:                                   Carlos Beltran - KCR                         Kansas City Royals
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros:                                              Omar Vizquel - CLE
Player Draft Second Round: (timed draft starts 10/31)                                                                           Off the Board
  1. deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays:                                        Kevin Brown - LAD
  2. ff09 - Detroit Tigers:                                                             Brian Giles - PIT
  3. dvorr80 - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                              Larry Dierker - HOU
  4. koyunlu - Colorado Rockies:                                             Bill Singer - LAD                                 Los Angeles Dodgers
  5. dilligafdbp - Toronto Blue Jays:                                         Eric Davis - CIN
  6. rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles:                                            Lance Berkman - HOU                     Houston Astros
  7. trenchfoot - Milwaukee Brewers:                                      Carl Yastrzemski - BOS
  8. marlowe - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:       Roberto Alomar - TOR
  9. tjefferson - Miami Marlins:                                                   Dave Righetti - NYY
  10. alleyviper - Seattle Mariners:                                              AFTBOAT - STL
  11. specsman - New York Mets:                                              Gary Sheffield - ATL
  12. llcoach - Philadelphia Phillies:                                          Mariano Rivera - NYY                        New York Yankees
  13. pumpkinmcp - Cleveland Indians:                                    Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  14. sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs:                                             Matt Cain - SFG
  15. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox:                                     Ted Simmons - STL                           St. Louis Cardinals
  16. alice - Atlanta Braves:                                                          Johnny Damon - KCR
  17. spikeboots - San Francisco Giants:                                 Brady Anderson - BAL
  18. twfan - Cincinnati Reds:                                                      Jose Reyes - NYM
  19. Robin4 - Kansas City Royals:                                            Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS                      Boston Red Sox
  20. mllama54 - St. Louis Cardinals:                                        Willie Wilson - KCR                           Kansas City Royals
  21. shaybee - New York Yankees:                                             Todd Frohwirth - BAL                       Baltimore Orioles
  22. tridentric - Los Angeles Dodgers:                                       Andrew McCutchen - PIT               Pittsburgh Pirates
  23. mussopini23 - Oakland Athletics:                                      Manny Ramirez - CLE
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros:                                                 Garrett Atkins - COL
Player Draft Third Round: (Timed draft starts Wed 11/5)
  1. deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays:                                            Howard Johnson - NYM
  2. ff09 - Detroit Tigers:                                                                 Sam McDowell - CLE
  3. dvorr80 - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                                   Ben Zobrist - TAM
  4. koyunlu - Colorado Rockies:                                                  Andy Messersmith - LAD
  5. dilligafdbp - Toronto Blue Jays:                                             TSMOPOAT - HOU
  6. rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles:                                                  Kris Medlen - ATL
  7. trenchfoot - Milwaukee Brewers:                                           Andre Dawson - MON/WSH
  8. marlowe - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:            Don Mattingly - NYY
  9. tjefferson - Miami Marlins:                                                       Odalis Perez - LAD                              Los Angeles Dodgers
  10. alleyviper - Seattle Mariners:                                                   Billy Williams - CHC
  11. specsman - New York Mets:                                                   Carlos Guillen - DET
  12. llcoach - Philadelphia Phillies:                                               Jim Edmonds - STL
  13. pumpkinmcp - Cleveland Indians:                                         Adrian Beltre - BOS
  14. sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs:                                                  Dellin Betances - NYY                        New York Yankees
  15. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox:                                           Mike Caldwell - MIL
  16. alice - Atlanta Braves:                                                                Buster Posey - SFG
  17. spikeboots - San Francisco Giants:                                       Rich Gossage - PIT
  18. twfan - Cincinnati Reds:                                                            Pablo Sandoval - SFG                       San Francisco Giants
  19. Robin4 - Kansas City Royals:                                                  Jose Altuve - HOU                             Houston Astros
  20. mllama54 - St. Louis Cardinals:                                               Rafael Soriano - TAM                       Tampa Bay Rays
  21. shaybee - New York Yankees:                                                  Jonathan Papelbon - BOS               Boston Red Sox
  22. tridentric - Los Angeles Dodgers:                                            Joey Devine - OAK
  23. mussopini23 - Oakland Athletics:                                            Carlos Carrasco - CLE                     Cleveland Indians
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros:                                                       Mike Lieberthal - PHI

11/6/2014 11:50 AM (edited)
List of keepers/draft picks:

deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays: David Price, James Shields, Evan Longoria, Carl Crawford, Randy Winn,  Bob Gibson - STL, Fernando Rodney, Kevin Brown - LAD, Joaquin Benoit, Howard Johnson - NYM

ff09 - Detroit Tigers: Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, JR Richard - HOU, Tony Phillips, Brian Giles - PIT, Ivan Rodriguez, Sam McDowell - CLE

dvorr80 - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Willie Stargell, Freddie Sanchez, Jason Kendall, Rick Reuschel, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Doug Drabek, Larry Dierker - HOU, Andy Van Slyke, Ben Zobrist - TAM

koyunlu - Colorado Rockies: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Troy Tulowitski, Ellis Burks, Ubaldo Jimenez, Joe Morgan - CIN, Matt Holliday, Bill Singer - LAD, Gabe White, Andy Messersmith - COL

dilligafdbp - Toronto Blue Jays: Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Roger Clemens, Roy Halladay, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Aaron Hill, Eric Davis - CIN, Dave Stieb, TSMOPOAT - HOU

rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles: Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, TSMOPPOAT, Chris Hoiles, Roberto Alomar, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Melvin Mora, Lance Berkman - HOU, Ken Singleton, Kris Medlen - ATL

trenchfoot - Milwaukee Brewers: Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Teddy Higuera, Ben Sheets, Rollie Fingers, Tim Lincecum - SFG, Jonathan Lucroy, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Ryan Braun, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH

marlowe - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Pedro Martinez, Vladimir Guerrero, Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Tim Burke, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Larry Walker, Roberto Alomar - TOR, Dennis Martinez, Don Mattingly - NYY

tjefferson - Miami Marlins: Jose Fernandez, Kevin Brown, Miguel Cabrera, Gary Sheffield, Hanley Ramirez, Mark McGwire - STL, Mike Piazza, Dave Righetti - NYY, Giancarlo Stanton, Odalis Perez - LAD

alleyviper - Seattle Mariners: Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Pedro Martinez - NYM, Bret Boone, AFTBOAT - STL, Cliff Lee, Billy Williams - CHC

specsman - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Matt Harvey, Mike Piazza, John Olerud, Hank Aaron - ATL, David Wright, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Armando Benitez, Carlos Guillen - DET

llcoach - Philadelphia Phillies: Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Mike Schmidt, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Ryan Howard, Mariano Rivera - NYY, Billy Wagner, Jim Edmonds - STL

pumpkinmcp - Cleveland Indians: Jim Thome, Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Gaylord Perry, Roger Nelson - KCR, Victor Martinez, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Grady Sizemore, Adrian Beltre - BOS

sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs: Derrek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Barry Larkin - CIN,  Rick Wilkins, Matt Cain - SFG, Bruce Sutter, Dellin Betances - NYY

buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox: Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, John Olerud - TOR, Rico Petrocelli, Ted Simmons - STL, Koji Uehara, Mike Caldwell - MIL

alice - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, Kevin Millwood, John Smoltz, Craig Kimbrel, Chipper Jones, Jose Vidro - MON/WSH, Phil Niekro, Johnny Damon - KCR, Ralph Garr, Buster Posey - SFG

spikeboots - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Jeff Kent, Jason Schmidt, Juan Marichal, Mark Eichhorn - TOR, Madison Bumgarner, Brady Anderson - BAL, Robb Nen, Rich Gossage - PIT

twfan - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Cueto, Tom Seaver, Johnny Bench, George Foster, HWMNBN, Don Wilson - HOU, Aroldis Chapman, Jose Reyes - NYM, Joey Votto, Pablo Sandoval - SFG

Robin4 - Kansas City Royals: Darrell Porter, George Brett, Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zack Greinke, Jay Bell - PIT, David Cone, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS, Wade Davis, Jose Altuve - HOU

mllama54 - St. Louis Cardinals: Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, John Tudor, Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, Tim Hudson - OAK, Willie McGee, Willie Wilson - KCR, Yadier Molina, Rafael Soriano - TAM

shaybee - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Derek Jeter, Paul O'Neill, Alex Rodriguez, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Robinson Cano, Todd Frohwirth - BAL, Fritz Peterson, Jonathan Papelbon - BOS

tridentric - Los Angeles Dodgers: Mike Piazza, Adrian Beltre, Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Fernando Valenzuela, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Manny Ramirez, Andrew McCutchen - PIT, Eric Gagne, Joey Devine - OAK

mussopini23 - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Carlos Beltran - KCR, Miguel Tejada, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Dennis Eckersley, Carlos Carrasco - CLE

spoonfed - Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Don Sutton, Omar Vizquel - HOU, Billy Wagner, Garrett Atkins - COL, Moises Alou, Mike Lieberthal - PHI



11/6/2014 11:51 AM (edited)
Ready to start the franchise draft.  tridentric can kick things off whenever he's ready.  Timed schedule set for tomorrow as posted above.
10/22/2014 11:42 AM
sorry for the delay guys.

LA Dodgers


I really want to try Kershaw's 2014 season
10/22/2014 3:31 PM
now I'm debating whether or not I go with a franchise I haven't used much or ever (depending on who's left) or a familiar franchise........
10/22/2014 3:52 PM
Looks like the Chicago Cubs might have a nice new toy or two this season.  Made the playoffs with them twice many moons ago, so we'll give them another try.
10/22/2014 4:48 PM
Don't think we've ever used them;

Blue Jays
10/22/2014 6:37 PM
To boldly go where I've never gone before (I think)

Cincinnati Reds
10/22/2014 8:53 PM
I'll take the Miami/Florida Marlins
10/22/2014 9:59 PM
Glad to see we got at least a few picks in the books today. Checking in on my phone, so I'll update stuff in the morning.
10/22/2014 11:37 PM
Updated the lists above.  There are a few owners who haven't opened the sitemail I sent about the draft, so I hope all are present and accounted for today.
10/23/2014 10:30 AM
NY Mets
10/23/2014 11:20 AM
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