I won't know what to think until Swamp tells me how it went down.  That is all.

He put in the non-sports forum that Obama lost. He also spells tomorrow with an i.

Romney won and it was much closer than the 1st one.

Obama did better.

The big moment was Obama made a claim about the Benghazi attack. The moderator, against the rules, said Obama's version was correct.

After the Debate she admitted she was wrong and Romney was right! A LITTLE LATE!

Forty-six percent of voters who watched Tuesday night's presidential debate said that the president won the showdown, according to a CNN/ORC International nationwide poll conducted right after Tuesday night's faceoff here at Hofstra University on New York's Long Island. Thirty-nine percent questioned said Republican nominee Mitt Romney did the better job.

Conservative columnists George Will and Charles Krauthammer each came to the same conclusion after Tuesday’s second presidential debate: President Barack Obama could be seen as the night’s big winner.

Will — who called it “immeasurably the best” presidential debate he’d ever seen — said the president put in an effective, tactical performance, particularly by holding onto the "47 percent" comment until his final answer.

“I think there was a winner in the sense that Barack Obama not only gained ground that he had lost, but he cauterized some wounds that he inflicted on himself by seeming too diffident and disengaged,” Will said on ABC. “Both men tonight tiptoed right up to the point of rudeness, but stepped back. It was a very good fight. I have seen every presidential debate in American history since the floor of Nixon and Kennedy in 1960. This was immeasurably the best.”

Krauthammer, meanwhile, said on Fox News that “on points, Obama came out ahead.”

“Look, this was a very tough fight,” the Fox News contributor said. “I think Romney did about as well as he did last time around. He made his points. Obama clearly had a good night, a much better night than the first night. You know, Woody Allen said showing up is 80 percent of life. Well he was at the 80 percent. And I think on points, if you were scoring it on points, Obama wins on points. He made a lot of counter punches. He made a lot of accusations. He managed to get under [Mitt] Romney's skin a little bit by referring to his wealth.”

Krauthammer also said Romney “had a huge opening” that he missed during the Libya exchange and criticized moderator Candy Crowley for her “essentially incorrect” intervention on the question supporting Obama on the transcript.

“He did not call it a terror incident,” Krauthammer said. “There was a big opening that was missed. I think it was contaminated by the actions of the moderator.”

Still, Krauthammer said “on the big issue, that one, where I think Romney could really have scored, he missed an opportunity. And that’s probably why, I think on points, Obama came out ahead.”

A CBS instant poll of undecided voters found 37 percent gave the advantage to Obama, while 30 percent sided with Romney. The remainder -- 33 percent -- thought it was a tie, according to CBS' Mark Knoller.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/16/2012 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by stinenavy on 10/16/2012 10:30:00 PM (view original):
The President just slaughtered Romney on the Libya discussion. Amazing.

He lied. He never called it a terror attack. He didnt get around to that for a couple of weeks.

Obama lied, An Ambassador died!

I'm away from the forums a few weeks, and swamp ups the ante on dishonesty tenfold. Lets go to the transcripts, shall we?




From the debate:

OBAMA: Secretary Clinton has done an extraordinary job. But she
works for me. I'm the president and I'm always responsible, and
that's why nobody's more interested in finding out exactly what
happened than I do.

The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden
and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find
out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror and I also
said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime.

And then a few days later, I was there greeting the caskets
coming into Andrews Air Force Base and grieving with the families.

And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary
of State, our U.N. Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics
or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive.
That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president, that's not
what I do as Commander in Chief.

CROWLEY: Governor, if you want to...

ROMNEY: Yes, I - I...

CROWLEY: ... quickly to this please.

ROMNEY: I - I think interesting the president just said
something which - which is that on the day after the attack he went
into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

OBAMA: That's what I said.

ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it
was an act of terror.

It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're
saying?

OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because
it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi
an act of terror.

OBAMA: Get the transcript.

CROWLEY: It - it - it - he did in fact, sir.
So let me - let me call it an act of terror...






 

Rose Garden

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT:  Good morning.  Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation.  Often, they are away from their families.  Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi.  Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith.  We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed.  And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack.  We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats.  I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world.  And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths.  We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.  But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.  None.  The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya.  Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans.  Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save.  At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi.  With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya.  When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there.  He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on.  I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks.  We mourned with the families who were lost on that day.  I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed.  And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. 

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.  Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.  We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act.  And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers.  These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity.  They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you.  May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/17/2012 1:45:00 AM (view original):
Romney won and it was much closer than the 1st one.

Obama did better.

The big moment was Obama made a claim about the Benghazi attack. The moderator, against the rules, said Obama's version was correct.

After the Debate she admitted she was wrong and Romney was right! A LITTLE LATE!

Sentence 4 is a complete lie. If you listen to the whole thing (which no "conservative" does apparently), she states the President mentioned "act of terror" but also that later on he put blame on the video. She never said she was wrong, because she wasn't.

I'll give sentence 3 a "wait-and-see lie", unless you can come up with something that says the moderator can't interject facts into the debate.

"After the debate, debate moderator Candy Crowley said Republican nominee Mitt Romney was “right in the main” but “picked the wrong word” on the Obama administration’s immediate response to the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead.

Crowley interrupted Romney during the debate, insisting that President Obama had in fact called the attack an “act of terror.”

ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

OBAMA: Get the transcript.

CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

In a statement given in the Rose Garden on Sept. 12, Obama emphasized an anti-Islam video, before saying that “no acts of terror would shake the resolve of this great nation.”

The administration’s narrative on the attack over the next two weeks was muddled.

On Sept. 16, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice attributed the attack on the U.S. Consulate to violent protests stemming from a “heinous and offensive” video.

On Sept. 25, the president himself declined to call the attack an act of terrorism during an interview with “The View,” saying that an investigation was still ongoing."



I guess it's just a matter of   "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is."

Still, why is a moderator doing anything but moderating? Would jimbo et al be sitting here quietly if she'd interjected to tell Obama he was wrong? No. She overstepped her bounds, regardless of which candidate it was in support of.

Does it change the fact the Romney was wrong? And the the President egged him on in that exchange, and Romney took the bait...Romney looked like a doofus.  Acts of Terror = Terrorist acts. Unless you are swamp, in which Acts of Terror could equal broccoli.

Posted by seamar_116 on 10/17/2012 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Does it change the fact the Romney was wrong? And the the President egged him on in that exchange, and Romney took the bait...Romney looked like a doofus.  Acts of Terror = Terrorist acts. Unless you are swamp, in which Acts of Terror could equal broccoli.

Ha!  Great post.

Posted by 05nomar05 on 10/17/2012 8:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by seamar_116 on 10/17/2012 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Does it change the fact the Romney was wrong? And the the President egged him on in that exchange, and Romney took the bait...Romney looked like a doofus.  Acts of Terror = Terrorist acts. Unless you are swamp, in which Acts of Terror could equal broccoli.

Ha!  Great post.

POTY!

agreed.