I'm in with the 200 TOI also, but I'm not sure I agree with the rule put in play from beginning of season 11. Then goalies we have on a 360 TOI career plan will need to retire if they sit above 200 TOI atm. I think we should have more than 2 seasons to adjust to the new regime. This is a major change - let it be from season 13, and into the next GM contract period I say...

No decision has been made yet. Hell, we haven't even come close to voting. This is all my fault, I just like to yap too much.

rammers, as I said in my earlier post, before I started playing in this league I thought it would be badass to nail down a #1 goalie and have him be my personal Martin Brodeur. I think we've all realized through the gameplay that there's simply no need for that approach; so as you say, just rotate and extend careers. I'm the only owner who's retired a goalie and that was a personal decision... I wanted to max him out, see what he could do, and get rid of him. Never for a second did I think I should keep him around because my team might really need him.

On a bright note - the many viewpoints expressed here remind me of one thing. The lack of a clear demand to do something immediately still shows that we have a good overall product that is working the way we want it to.

I think we need to come to a resolution on the issue. And quite frankly, it's never going to happen through democracy. We need to set a time to have a definitive straw poll with the three major options (shorten TOI maximum, limit # of goalies, do nothing), and once everyone puts in an official opinion, okp should make the final decision. He's the commish, and even though some of us are vocal in our support for and opinions on this league, it's him that started it all up and carries the privilege/burden of making the final call. We owe it to abide by it whatever it may be.

Let's just do it sooner rather than later so we can all make our plans as need be.

I can just see it now, everyone's goalies retire and then the scoring gets jacked up to season 1 levels. Then everyone complains that the goaltending sucks.

Why not do something like this; goalies have a 6 season limit regardless of number of games played, and they can't be FP.

I haven't addressed it before, because I think it's just a number that okp threw out there, but 200 TOI is too low IMO. As for where "the goaltending sucks", you all may have different experiences, and mine is limited, but I kind of guess that the "line" where a goalie goes from not good enough to good enough is somewhere around 65 saving.

Now I'm the one who originally advocated that there should be more drafting of goalies in the first place, but rammers also has a valid point, I don't think anyone wants to be in the position of having to draft a poor goalie and being forced to play him.

Although that also happens in real life... Tampa Bay Lightning, anyone? And I see no trading of and for goalies in this league, because no one needs to. Perhaps under new rules, a guy might feel like he should try to trade for a goalie once in awhile.

240 is way too low ... I'm not likely to comment too much on this issue ... many of you seem to have your mind set on the issue on won't be moved.

I dislike the 6 season rule for skaters (so, no rammers I don't think we are all agreed). I would like to have my high-end players have high end 12-15 year careers, but for whatever reason we kneecap them at 6 seasons. Player careers need to be longer, not shorter.

Goalies were the one position where we could have players have extended careers, but NO MORE!!!! Now if someone wants to have a bonafide starting goalie (playing ~60 games/year) they are only going to be around 4 or 5 seasons? That sucks.

As I figured. But why say it's not realistic? I always compare this to Canadian junior hockey. You're allowed to play from ages 16 to 20 - that's it. Most 16-year-olds aren't physically mature enough to play, they don't see a lot of ice time, but then you get the occasional Crosby, Tavares, Gretzky or Lindros. Each team gets a roster exemption for two overaged players, but many only use one or none at all.

Teams rebuild, replace, revamp their rosters continually. As a manager you have to keep an eye on your depth chart. Guys get traded simply because they're getting older and the team needs to get younger.

All I'm saying is, it sounds pretty familiar to me.

I love this league and the rich discussions will only make it better. Thanks to all of those who work on this as I am along for the ride and enjoying it. I will be good with whatever decision is made as I am sure OKP will factor it all in before deciding.

All the decisions that have been made since Day I have been in the best interests for all. Thanks to all that work so hard on this!