Quote: Originally Posted By doubletruck on 2/12/2008You know, I have to admit that you guys have me at a loss.
I have no idea how you are defining "liberal" to fit some of the arguments that you are making.
The liberals i know are complex people who understand much and doubt themselves much, and are often financially conservative while being socially progressive. We might be ambivalent about abortion, anti-gun control, against government interference in private matters, yet eager to work for social justice.
I don't condone sin -- yours or mine -- but I am capable of forgiving it. I still believe that two wrongs don't make a right.
If you don't recognize corporate fascism when its actions are evident, that is your problem, not mine.
I thought the lessons of error of the last eight years were more obvious than apparently they are.
Sleep well, gentlemen
The deal with corporations is their mission is to generate a profit. There is no morality in that. A company can act ethically sure but money is survival for them. This can lead to excessive greed or to being a responsible contributor to the economy. We can change the fortunes of the greedy by not buying their product, or using their service. How many people quit a job because of how they treated their people or acted unethically. I a comapny that went bankrupt shortly after I . Poor management and treated people like ^%&. Social progressiveness is dangerous. It leads to socialism;
the Progressive agenda — includes well-spun catch phrases that translate into socialist policies, unfettered abortion, open borders, affirmative action on methamphetamine, economy-stultifying environmentalist zealotry, and more pliant, radical Cynthia McKinney and Charlie Rangel types in Congress.
Their president, Gloria Totten, "has worked for progressive causes and political campaigns for over 17 years and is considered one of the top political organizers in the country" She was once Political Director for NARAL (The National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League), has worked on or managed "more than 75 federal campaigns," is heavily involved in Wellstone Action, serves on the Board of Directors for TrueMajority, and is also President of the Board of the Ballot Initiative Strategy Center — all far- political advocacy outfits.
When you cut through Progressive Majority's Coke commercial website and the altruistic claptrap, what you have is an organization dedicated to the stealth placement of "acceptable" candidates throughout a sleeping citizenry — at every level of government.
The most concerning (and convicting) of Progressive Majority's promises is that of helping candidates "become effective leaders once elected," essentially confirming said candidates as their agents. These candidates of course generally disavow any significant entanglement or identification with the organization, citing the "plausible deniability" of 527-like tax-exempt advocacy groups and PACs.
Americans need to recognize what a dangerous precedent this is, and what politics has become in America. Turning over local government to operatives for national lobbyists — of any political stripe — poses the spectre of a government in which the individual's vote is effectively nullified. According to Progressive Majority's stated
mission, Americans from local to national levels will be governed by agenda-driven lobbyists in Washington, D.C. rather than locally concerned members of their communities.