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10/10/2012 8:41 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/10/2012 8:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by damag on 10/9/2012 11:45:00 PM (view original):
Having worked for a smaller chain that was bought by a broadcast giant, I can speculate on two things that happen.

1. Giants sometimes buy things just to buy things. They create their own inertia. They simply acquire properties to sustain existence.

2. Whoever - singular or plural - had the idea to buy this has probably moved on to somethIng else by now, and this is in the hands of people who had nothing to do with it back then, so they have no investment in it other than cash flow.

"Giants sometimes buy things just to buy things. They create their own inertia. They simply acquire properties to sustain existence."

Not true at all.  Corporations exist to make money.  If mega-company A decides to mini-company B, they're doing it for a specific business reason which they've concluded will, somehow, enhance them.  It may be to pick up the customers that come along with B; it may be to expand the portfolio of products and services they provide; it may be to remove B as a direct competitor; or it may be for some other reason that they have concluded is beneficial to them in the long run.

Sometimes, these decisions don't always work out the way they planned.  But there was a very definitive plan and logic behind the decision.

If a corporation is buying things just to buy things, then they have a pretty misguided business plan and are not going to survive very long in a competitive business environment.

Your points are all true.  My greater point - which I didn't state very well and which you've illustrated - was that overtaking owners tend to show very little investment in the quality of the product provided, because they have no true insight into the intent with which the product was created, and therefore display a natural detachment from the customer base.


10/10/2012 8:58 AM
Posted by mal247 on 10/9/2012 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/9/2012 4:22:00 PM (view original):
I think you underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

News Corp had revenues of 13.28 billion last year, with operating income of 2.9 billion.

Hardball Dynasty has an estimated revenue of 350,000 per year.

If you think that anyone who matters at News Corp gives two sh.its or a fiddlers fu.ck about HBD, you are delusional.


I think you also underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

Perhaps you've never had to deal with an accountant.   Or someone who felt the need to justify their job. 

350k, to the bigwigs, may feel like a dime to them.   However, some nerd in a partitioned office is looking for some way to be noticed.   He's pouring over every bit of data he can find to say "Hey, look at this!!!"    Do they care about HBD?   No.   Do they know the financials of HBD?  Yes.   As we've been discussing, the meter has to move for Bob the Bean Counter to take notice and bump it up the ladder.  That said HBD probably isn't on the ledger.    It's probably Whatifsports.com.    No idea how much revenue WifS generates but HBD is just a fraction of it. 

10/10/2012 9:01 AM
Posted by damag on 10/10/2012 8:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/10/2012 8:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by damag on 10/9/2012 11:45:00 PM (view original):
Having worked for a smaller chain that was bought by a broadcast giant, I can speculate on two things that happen.

1. Giants sometimes buy things just to buy things. They create their own inertia. They simply acquire properties to sustain existence.

2. Whoever - singular or plural - had the idea to buy this has probably moved on to somethIng else by now, and this is in the hands of people who had nothing to do with it back then, so they have no investment in it other than cash flow.

"Giants sometimes buy things just to buy things. They create their own inertia. They simply acquire properties to sustain existence."

Not true at all.  Corporations exist to make money.  If mega-company A decides to mini-company B, they're doing it for a specific business reason which they've concluded will, somehow, enhance them.  It may be to pick up the customers that come along with B; it may be to expand the portfolio of products and services they provide; it may be to remove B as a direct competitor; or it may be for some other reason that they have concluded is beneficial to them in the long run.

Sometimes, these decisions don't always work out the way they planned.  But there was a very definitive plan and logic behind the decision.

If a corporation is buying things just to buy things, then they have a pretty misguided business plan and are not going to survive very long in a competitive business environment.

Your points are all true.  My greater point - which I didn't state very well and which you've illustrated - was that overtaking owners tend to show very little investment in the quality of the product provided, because they have no true insight into the intent with which the product was created, and therefore display a natural detachment from the customer base.


It depends on the situation.  Sometimes, that is true.   Sometimes, it's not.

I work in IT.  Over the years, my company has purchased many software products from vendors that we use to support our business.  Over the years, many of those vendors have been purchased by larger companies.  I'd say maybe half the time, the software product that we had purchased from the originial company was integrated into the product line of the purchasing company and was supported and enhanced going forward.  But the other half of the time, the software product was either neglected in terms of support or enhancements, or just discontinued/dropped altogether.
10/10/2012 9:12 AM (edited)
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/10/2012 8:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mal247 on 10/9/2012 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/9/2012 4:22:00 PM (view original):
I think you underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

News Corp had revenues of 13.28 billion last year, with operating income of 2.9 billion.

Hardball Dynasty has an estimated revenue of 350,000 per year.

If you think that anyone who matters at News Corp gives two sh.its or a fiddlers fu.ck about HBD, you are delusional.


I think you also underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

Perhaps you've never had to deal with an accountant.   Or someone who felt the need to justify their job. 

350k, to the bigwigs, may feel like a dime to them.   However, some nerd in a partitioned office is looking for some way to be noticed.   He's pouring over every bit of data he can find to say "Hey, look at this!!!"    Do they care about HBD?   No.   Do they know the financials of HBD?  Yes.   As we've been discussing, the meter has to move for Bob the Bean Counter to take notice and bump it up the ladder.  That said HBD probably isn't on the ledger.    It's probably Whatifsports.com.    No idea how much revenue WifS generates but HBD is just a fraction of it. 

That's a good point.

XYZ Company might manufacture and sell widgets, gadgets, and doohickeys.

ABC Corporation might manufacture and sell widgets and a crapload of other products.  They don't make or sell gadgets or doohickeys, but they see doohickeys as an attractive market that they want to get into.  They notice that XYZ Company makes some pretty good doohickeys.  Rather than "reinvent the wheel", ABC Corp decides that it would be cheaper and make more business sense to purchase XYZ Comp for the sole purpose to pick up their doohickey business.  XYZ Comp's widget product line is now redundant to ABC Corp, so it's dropped.  XYZ Comp's gadget product line is not redundant to ABC Corp, but it's also not very important.  It gets little attention and is left to flounder.  Maybe they discontinue it altogether, maybe they sell that product line off to a third party, or maybe it just flounders indefinitely.

XYZ Company is Whatifsports.com.

ABC Corporation is Fox.

HBD is the gadget product line.
10/10/2012 9:43 AM
It's entirely possible that WifS isn't on the ledger.    It may fall under "Fantasy Sports".    If that's the case, HBD is a such a tiny part of it that Bob the Bean Counter won't even notice.   Then it would fall on some VP of Fantasy Sports to notice a downward trend while he attempts to justify his job. 

http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy

There is a HBD link on this page.   And there is a "contact us" link.   Maybe, instead of ******** in the forums, people should use that link.   Maybe you luck out and get someone to notice.
10/10/2012 9:55 AM
Also, I find it laughable that people write off 350k as "meaningless" so quickly.    If Mailroom Joe goes to FOX and says "Hey, I need a raise", does anyone think they say "Would 350k be enough?"

Rich people don't get rich by ******* away 350k. 
10/10/2012 10:27 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/10/2012 9:12:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/10/2012 8:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mal247 on 10/9/2012 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/9/2012 4:22:00 PM (view original):
I think you underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

News Corp had revenues of 13.28 billion last year, with operating income of 2.9 billion.

Hardball Dynasty has an estimated revenue of 350,000 per year.

If you think that anyone who matters at News Corp gives two sh.its or a fiddlers fu.ck about HBD, you are delusional.


I think you also underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

Perhaps you've never had to deal with an accountant.   Or someone who felt the need to justify their job. 

350k, to the bigwigs, may feel like a dime to them.   However, some nerd in a partitioned office is looking for some way to be noticed.   He's pouring over every bit of data he can find to say "Hey, look at this!!!"    Do they care about HBD?   No.   Do they know the financials of HBD?  Yes.   As we've been discussing, the meter has to move for Bob the Bean Counter to take notice and bump it up the ladder.  That said HBD probably isn't on the ledger.    It's probably Whatifsports.com.    No idea how much revenue WifS generates but HBD is just a fraction of it. 

That's a good point.

XYZ Company might manufacture and sell widgets, gadgets, and doohickeys.

ABC Corporation might manufacture and sell widgets and a crapload of other products.  They don't make or sell gadgets or doohickeys, but they see doohickeys as an attractive market that they want to get into.  They notice that XYZ Company makes some pretty good doohickeys.  Rather than "reinvent the wheel", ABC Corp decides that it would be cheaper and make more business sense to purchase XYZ Comp for the sole purpose to pick up their doohickey business.  XYZ Comp's widget product line is now redundant to ABC Corp, so it's dropped.  XYZ Comp's gadget product line is not redundant to ABC Corp, but it's also not very important.  It gets little attention and is left to flounder.  Maybe they discontinue it altogether, maybe they sell that product line off to a third party, or maybe it just flounders indefinitely.

XYZ Company is Whatifsports.com.

ABC Corporation is Fox.

HBD is the gadget product line.
Nice, tec.  This is exactly what has happened to the business I was in.

10/10/2012 10:39 AM
And almost like clockwork, one of the 7____7 worlds just rolled over with 10 openings.
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10/10/2012 10:50 AM
betcha they're fun at parties. and porn shoots
10/10/2012 1:05 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/10/2012 9:12:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/10/2012 8:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mal247 on 10/9/2012 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/9/2012 4:22:00 PM (view original):
I think you underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

News Corp had revenues of 13.28 billion last year, with operating income of 2.9 billion.

Hardball Dynasty has an estimated revenue of 350,000 per year.

If you think that anyone who matters at News Corp gives two sh.its or a fiddlers fu.ck about HBD, you are delusional.


I think you also underestimate the bean counters at big companies. 

Perhaps you've never had to deal with an accountant.   Or someone who felt the need to justify their job. 

350k, to the bigwigs, may feel like a dime to them.   However, some nerd in a partitioned office is looking for some way to be noticed.   He's pouring over every bit of data he can find to say "Hey, look at this!!!"    Do they care about HBD?   No.   Do they know the financials of HBD?  Yes.   As we've been discussing, the meter has to move for Bob the Bean Counter to take notice and bump it up the ladder.  That said HBD probably isn't on the ledger.    It's probably Whatifsports.com.    No idea how much revenue WifS generates but HBD is just a fraction of it. 

That's a good point.

XYZ Company might manufacture and sell widgets, gadgets, and doohickeys.

ABC Corporation might manufacture and sell widgets and a crapload of other products.  They don't make or sell gadgets or doohickeys, but they see doohickeys as an attractive market that they want to get into.  They notice that XYZ Company makes some pretty good doohickeys.  Rather than "reinvent the wheel", ABC Corp decides that it would be cheaper and make more business sense to purchase XYZ Comp for the sole purpose to pick up their doohickey business.  XYZ Comp's widget product line is now redundant to ABC Corp, so it's dropped.  XYZ Comp's gadget product line is not redundant to ABC Corp, but it's also not very important.  It gets little attention and is left to flounder.  Maybe they discontinue it altogether, maybe they sell that product line off to a third party, or maybe it just flounders indefinitely.

XYZ Company is Whatifsports.com.

ABC Corporation is Fox.

HBD is the gadget product line.
Your analysis is 100% on target.  In this case, though, I don't think ABC Corp is looking for the doohickey production line, but the doohickeys themselves, which they need to sell more widgets.  The doohickeys are the programmers, specifically programmers who get sports; remember that we were told that they were asked to program Fox's Fantasy Sports website.

I expect the game will continue only intermittently attended until some hardware or software disaster occurs which requires a significant capital outlay to fix, at which point it will just kind of dissolve in lieu of that outlay.  I imagine these disasters are rare enough that that could be a long while, but I don't truly know that.
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10/10/2012 5:14 PM
If anyone cares to look, check out LinkIn and look up Whatifsports.  You can see a few of their employees and read the profile of Tom Zentmeyer - all in all it appears that they are still focused on whatifsports and simulations for foxsports.
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