Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Funny how

Bush gets us into the 'worst recession since the great depression' and the economy is now better its all because of Obama....

But

Bush gets us into Iraq and under Obama its gotten unthinkably worse... But its Bush's fault we're there.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 7:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Funny how

Bush gets us into the 'worst recession since the great depression' and the economy is now better its all because of Obama....

But

Bush gets us into Iraq and under Obama its gotten unthinkably worse... But its Bush's fault we're there.

Um...I don't see how that's difficult to understand. First, we have to ignore the fact that it's dumb to give 100% credit or blame to the president for things like the economy and violence in other countries.

But, if we are going to do that, we have to look at each situation on its own. Bush didn't decide to **** up the economy. He did decide to invade Iraq. Unfucking the economy is a plus for Obama. Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place. No plus for Obama. Negative for Bush.

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2014 8:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 7:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Funny how

Bush gets us into the 'worst recession since the great depression' and the economy is now better its all because of Obama....

But

Bush gets us into Iraq and under Obama its gotten unthinkably worse... But its Bush's fault we're there.

Um...I don't see how that's difficult to understand. First, we have to ignore the fact that it's dumb to give 100% credit or blame to the president for things like the economy and violence in other countries.

But, if we are going to do that, we have to look at each situation on its own. Bush didn't decide to **** up the economy. He did decide to invade Iraq. Unfucking the economy is a plus for Obama. Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place. No plus for Obama. Negative for Bush.

Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place.

Wrong.  You can't go into another country, **** up it's stability, and then say, "Oops, sorry, we shouldn't have done this, bye bye."

Going into Iraq in the first place was 110% wrong.  Done for the wrong reasons and at the wrong time.  That's on Bush and his administration.

But once you start something like we started in Iraq, we have a moral obligation to finish it, i.e. leave it at least in a politically stable state.  Obama didn't do that.  He just pandered to his electorate to fulfill "popular" election promises made to get votes.  To try to absolve Obama for leaving Iraq the way he did, which led to the clusterfuck that's going on there now, is beyond massively retarded. 

Congrats.

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 9:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 9:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2014 8:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 7:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Funny how

Bush gets us into the 'worst recession since the great depression' and the economy is now better its all because of Obama....

But

Bush gets us into Iraq and under Obama its gotten unthinkably worse... But its Bush's fault we're there.

Um...I don't see how that's difficult to understand. First, we have to ignore the fact that it's dumb to give 100% credit or blame to the president for things like the economy and violence in other countries.

But, if we are going to do that, we have to look at each situation on its own. Bush didn't decide to **** up the economy. He did decide to invade Iraq. Unfucking the economy is a plus for Obama. Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place. No plus for Obama. Negative for Bush.

Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place.

Wrong.  You can't go into another country, **** up it's stability, and then say, "Oops, sorry, we shouldn't have done this, bye bye."

Going into Iraq in the first place was 110% wrong.  Done for the wrong reasons and at the wrong time.  That's on Bush and his administration.

But once you start something like we started in Iraq, we have a moral obligation to finish it, i.e. leave it at least in a politically stable state.  Obama didn't do that.  He just pandered to his electorate to fulfill "popular" election promises made to get votes.  To try to absolve Obama for leaving Iraq the way he did, which led to the clusterfuck that's going on there now, is beyond massively retarded. 

Congrats.

Unless there is no option for stability. We were there for almost a decade with no real shot at progress. The Iraqis didn't want us there and they weren't going to recognize any power structure we tried to set up. Leaving was the best option for America.

wait - we are leaving? didn't obama just send another 1500 americans to Iraq and request another $5 billion to pay for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/world/middleeast/us-to-send-1500-more-troops-to-iraq.html?_r=0

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 9:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 9:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 9:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 9:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2014 8:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 7:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Funny how

Bush gets us into the 'worst recession since the great depression' and the economy is now better its all because of Obama....

But

Bush gets us into Iraq and under Obama its gotten unthinkably worse... But its Bush's fault we're there.

Um...I don't see how that's difficult to understand. First, we have to ignore the fact that it's dumb to give 100% credit or blame to the president for things like the economy and violence in other countries.

But, if we are going to do that, we have to look at each situation on its own. Bush didn't decide to **** up the economy. He did decide to invade Iraq. Unfucking the economy is a plus for Obama. Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place. No plus for Obama. Negative for Bush.

Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place.

Wrong.  You can't go into another country, **** up it's stability, and then say, "Oops, sorry, we shouldn't have done this, bye bye."

Going into Iraq in the first place was 110% wrong.  Done for the wrong reasons and at the wrong time.  That's on Bush and his administration.

But once you start something like we started in Iraq, we have a moral obligation to finish it, i.e. leave it at least in a politically stable state.  Obama didn't do that.  He just pandered to his electorate to fulfill "popular" election promises made to get votes.  To try to absolve Obama for leaving Iraq the way he did, which led to the clusterfuck that's going on there now, is beyond massively retarded. 

Congrats.

Unless there is no option for stability. We were there for almost a decade with no real shot at progress. The Iraqis didn't want us there and they weren't going to recognize any power structure we tried to set up. Leaving was the best option for America.

wait - we are leaving? didn't obama just send another 1500 americans to Iraq and request another $5 billion to pay for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/world/middleeast/us-to-send-1500-more-troops-to-iraq.html?_r=0

So you're a fan of Obama's decision to go back?

I'm not a fan of anything this guy decides. everything he touches turns to **** - he's a poor leader. i'm just reminding you that his attempt to, as you put it, 'leaving was the best option', now has americans going back to fight a bigger problem (ISIS)

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2014 10:29:00 PM (view original):
More US troops died in Iraq and Afghanistan on Obama's watch than on Bush's watch.

As Casey Stengel said "You can look it up!"