I'd disagree with that.   An "average" 2B will have a RF of about 5.  An average CF will finish with half of that.    Over 162, that's around 400 more chances.   A 60ish glove is going to kick a lot of balls at 2B or CF but I'd rather he have 400 less opportunities to do so even if an error in CF results in a double or triple.

booger, I disagree with the premise that AA is more important in CF than 2B.  Remember, there's still a bug in HBD where there are ZERO OF throwing errors... this doesn't necessarily eliminate the value of AA in the OF (you can theoretically still take the extra base) but it greatly devalues it, to the point where I use that as the primary criterion in sorting out whether to play a righty at 2B vs. CF.

Posted by boogerlips on 5/25/2012 3:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/25/2012 11:26:00 AM (view original):
I'd disagree with that.   An "average" 2B will have a RF of about 5.  An average CF will finish with half of that.    Over 162, that's around 400 more chances.   A 60ish glove is going to kick a lot of balls at 2B or CF but I'd rather he have 400 less opportunities to do so even if an error in CF results in a double or triple.

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Well, I'm sure we know who gets the most chances.     What you stand to gain or lose depends partially on opportunity. 

Posted by boogerlips on 5/25/2012 3:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dedelman on 5/25/2012 12:03:00 PM (view original):
booger, I disagree with the premise that AA is more important in CF than 2B.  Remember, there's still a bug in HBD where there are ZERO OF throwing errors... this doesn't necessarily eliminate the value of AA in the OF (you can theoretically still take the extra base) but it greatly devalues it, to the point where I use that as the primary criterion in sorting out whether to play a righty at 2B vs. CF.

You aren't disagreeing with me. You're filling me in.

"Concerning errors, glove matters quite a bit. CFers make plently of errors if you're not careful. Glove is a bit more forgiving than Rng at this position, but not by a ton. I'm not sure how much AA matters (maybe someone can fill me in)."

Haven't seen evidence that it matters much at 2B either. Definitely wouldn't be using that as the primary criteria in sorting out whether to play 2b or cf for reasons I've already given.

Fair enough.  I looked it up... 2Bs only make about 5-6 throwing errors a season on average.  I would guess without knowing that losing 10 points of AA causes no more than 5 throwing errors, or about 4 runs, a season.  Not as many as I would have thought.

I started playing Mike Ramirez in LF this season because I decided to go with a defensive minded line-up.  He's got 90 Range, 70 Glove.  In 1150 innings, he had 12 errors and 13 plus plays at 2B. In 430 inning at LF, he's made 2 errors and 13 plus plays.  His replacement at 2B has 12 + plays and 7 errors in roughly 1000 innings. The guy he's replacing in LF made 2 errors and 2+/3- plays in roughly 1000 innings.  

Extrapolating out, I'm saving 5 errors at 2B, and getting about 30 + plays in LF. What kind of offensive stats would you trade that benefit in the bats between the light hitting new 2B in place of the old LF?

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I only see one link, and that's to the double play thread.

I'm very interested in the point about 3b AS & AA not meaning that much in the grand scheme of things. I had been playing a guy 82/78/70/75 at 3b and a guy 78/70/58/55 at 2b. Based on the information in this thread, I am going to flip them. I'm interested in the result

Posted by jahu43 on 5/29/2012 12:08:00 PM (view original):
I'm very interested in the point about 3b AS & AA not meaning that much in the grand scheme of things. I had been playing a guy 82/78/70/75 at 3b and a guy 78/70/58/55 at 2b. Based on the information in this thread, I am going to flip them. I'm interested in the result

I played Hades Stewart (68-68-46-54) at 3B for part of the previous two seasons. He had 0 (+) plays and 15 (-) plays across 641.0 innings, with nine errors, .962 fielding % and 3.19 RF.

By comparison, Butch Butcher (81-79-85-81) had 25 (+) and 2 (-) plays in 1993.1 innings, with 19 errors, .975 fielding % and 3.35 RF.