Posted by wrmiller13 on 5/20/2012 9:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/20/2012 7:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by seamar_116 on 5/20/2012 6:34:00 PM (view original):
Give us your education solution Swamp.

Eliminate the Dept of Education.

Allow local schools to do what they want.

Fire teachers and administrators who fail.

Allow more privitization of the education system.

If you "allow local schools to do what they want", on what basis will you be determining which teachers and administrators are "failing"?

Kind of like small businesses.

They get to decide what to do, if they fail they get fired and we get a new group!

<<If you "allow local schools to do what they want", on what basis will you be determining which teachers and administrators are "failing"?
Kind of like small businesses.

They get to decide what to do, if they fail they get fired and we get a new group!>>

Non-responsive,,,"On what basis will you be determining which teachers and administrators are "failing"?

Your response "Kind of like small business"     ?????  How are small businesses like schools? We are talking about educating the citizens of the US. You want to equate that with Dry Cleaners or Insurance Agencies? Clearly you do not have children.

Swamp gets it right again!  My guy sucks balls. This is why I'm gonna get my *** kicked.

I want YOU to tune into my new exciting thread.

Without people like you, there would only be nude pictures.

The public education system is broken because (1) it's all based on a college track, and not all kids are going, or should go, to college; (2) as are result of (1), there is insufficient tech education; (3) and the misconception that a public education is a "right" has led to the inability of the schools to enforce discipline.  Simply, the little bastards who cause trouble never get kicked out.

Solutions:  (1) multiple college tracks depending on ability; (2) increase the number of tech/trade schools; (3) discipline kids and stop worrying about getting sued.  Kick the ones out who cause trouble and take away from the kids that want to be there; and finally (4) stop wasting money on bullshit.  High schools should not have TVs in the lunch room.  And especially if that TV is on ESPN (true story).  The obsession with technology is costing money that could be better spent elsewhere.  Obviously schools need to be modern, but they do not need every bell and whistle.

You're welcome.

Posted by jclarkbaker on 5/21/2012 8:50:00 PM (view original):
The public education system is broken because (1) it's all based on a college track, and not all kids are going, or should go, to college; (2) as are result of (1), there is insufficient tech education; (3) and the misconception that a public education is a "right" has led to the inability of the schools to enforce discipline.  Simply, the little bastards who cause trouble never get kicked out.

Solutions:  (1) multiple college tracks depending on ability; (2) increase the number of tech/trade schools; (3) discipline kids and stop worrying about getting sued.  Kick the ones out who cause trouble and take away from the kids that want to be there; and finally (4) stop wasting money on bullshit.  High schools should not have TVs in the lunch room.  And especially if that TV is on ESPN (true story).  The obsession with technology is costing money that could be better spent elsewhere.  Obviously schools need to be modern, but they do not need every bell and whistle.

You're welcome.

Agreed. See it can happen.

Posted by jclarkbaker on 5/21/2012 8:50:00 PM (view original):
The public education system is broken because (1) it's all based on a college track, and not all kids are going, or should go, to college; (2) as are result of (1), there is insufficient tech education; (3) and the misconception that a public education is a "right" has led to the inability of the schools to enforce discipline.  Simply, the little bastards who cause trouble never get kicked out.

Solutions:  (1) multiple college tracks depending on ability; (2) increase the number of tech/trade schools; (3) discipline kids and stop worrying about getting sued.  Kick the ones out who cause trouble and take away from the kids that want to be there; and finally (4) stop wasting money on bullshit.  High schools should not have TVs in the lunch room.  And especially if that TV is on ESPN (true story).  The obsession with technology is costing money that could be better spent elsewhere.  Obviously schools need to be modern, but they do not need every bell and whistle.

You're welcome.

1 The problem with the college issue is it just isnt the education system that is set up to college track, but the jobs are set up that way. Almost every job assumes at least a bachelors. Except for some factory work it is hard to get a decent job with no college.

2 I agree with the discipline issue.


I think we also need to return to math, science, civics, history and English core education. This is where we are failing. Less elective social based education.

<<I think we also need to return to math, science, civics, history and English core education. This is where we are failing. Less elective social based education.>>

See here you are making political commentary based on some talking point you heard somewhere. What do you mean by "elective social based education"? Can you cite wide-spread examples of curriucula as you describe? What NCLB has done is pretty much drive out any instruction that is not Math-Reading-Writing or tested at the state level.

Unless you are talking about Tennessee where the legislature has deemed hand-holding as a gateway activity to sex and subject to regulation in the schools.

You are wrong re most jobs requiring a bachelors.  That is not even close to true.

Oh, and I forgot one more thing:  kids stay back when they can't or don't do the work.  The game now is to pass everyone, so kids are "graduating" when they should not be.  That does not help that kid.

I do not think he was making political commentary.  But I will comment on current curricula: teach U.S. history.  Teach civics.  No matter your political party, knowing how we got to be the nation we are is important.  It is ridiculous that kids graduate from high school and don't know **** about the those subjects.  PC bullshit is creating whole generations of kids who don't know anything about the country in which they live.

The only way seman can count to 21 is if he opens his zipper.

I may have to block him.

"As professional educators have taken over, control by parents has weakened. In addition, the function assigned to schools has changed. They are still expected to teach the three R's and to transmit common values. In addition, however, schools are now regarded as means of promoting social mobility, racial integration, and other objectives only distantly related to their fundamental task."

From the larger article...

http://www.edchoice.org/The-Friedmans/The-Friedmans-on-School-Choice/What-s-Wrong-with-Our-Schools-.aspx

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/23/2012 12:13:00 AM (view original):
"As professional educators have taken over, control by parents has weakened. In addition, the function assigned to schools has changed. They are still expected to teach the three R's and to transmit common values. In addition, however, schools are now regarded as means of promoting social mobility, racial integration, and other objectives only distantly related to their fundamental task."

From the larger article...

http://www.edchoice.org/The-Friedmans/The-Friedmans-on-School-Choice/What-s-Wrong-with-Our-Schools-.aspx

Swamp, see this is why you lack credibility and people question your critical thinking skills...

What's Wrong with Our Schools?

From Free to Choose: A Personal Statement, 1979/1980.

This is where I got it from. Things have only got worse.

Can you show some basis that things have not gone on?