All Forums > Hardball Dynasty Baseball > Suggestions > Turn off Minimum Roster Size Prior to the Season
9/14/2012 9:03 AM
In the absence of a more functional method of making the many player moves necessary to properly populate the minor league teams after the off-season retirements, FA, etc it would be helpful if we could turn off the minimum roster size requirement.

This would allow an owner to more easily move players up and down. Without having to scan through a huge list of pending transactions.

The minimum roster function could then be turned on again prior to the season or even as early as the Rule 5 roster freeze.




9/14/2012 9:58 AM
+1000

God that is a pain in the a**.

Can't promote from aa to fill the AAA roster because now the AA roster is short. and so it goes all the way down, til you have 30 pending transactions and a helluva time trying to keep track of who you've already moved where.

Sucks big time!
9/14/2012 10:43 AM
While I agree, I know it will annoy you when I point out why it's the way it is.

I assume you and I wouldn't start a season with 11 players in LoA.  But someone would.    And they'd be up against the cap with no way to fix it.

9/14/2012 11:40 AM
So, if I don't touch my roster I would start with 9 players at AAA. The minimum only makes it more difficult to fix the problem and does not thing to correct it.
9/14/2012 12:13 PM
The point is if they remove the minimum, then if people started signing minor league FAs to fill their aaa or aa squad and then ran out of money they'd be stuck with 11 guys in low A with no way to fix it.
9/14/2012 12:30 PM
I don't understand how the minimum roster requirement stops someone from using up all of their money? Also, most teams have a number of players sitting in RL that can be promoted to fill other slots.
The minimum appears to be shut off for RL and if a team runs out of money they won't be able to fill that roster....even after the draft.

I guess I don't see how the minimum roster requirement hindering promotions/demotions before the season starts is liable to cause any more problems than already exist.

9/14/2012 12:33 PM
You can't make ANY moves if the minor league roster requirement is not met.   So maybe you're just ******* away a season.
However, when your minor league games are not played, someone will report it to WifS.   And they will fix it for you.    That said, if the games are playing and you have 11 players on your LoA, there will be no reason for you to fix it. 
9/14/2012 12:43 PM (edited)
Posted by kschoenberg on 9/14/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand how the minimum roster requirement stops someone from using up all of their money? Also, most teams have a number of players sitting in RL that can be promoted to fill other slots.
The minimum appears to be shut off for RL and if a team runs out of money they won't be able to fill that roster....even after the draft.

I guess I don't see how the minimum roster requirement hindering promotions/demotions before the season starts is liable to cause any more problems than already exist.

Now, the only way you can get under the minimums is FA/retirements, and at the very least you can't make things worse by moves. If you waive it altogether, there's nothing stopping someone from all but emptying out a level, and when the restriction comes back in, the only consequence is they can't move anyone else out. I'd be all for this if there was also added a good way to enforce compliance after the limit comes back, otherwise I would prefer to leave as is. I just promote from the bottom up, since the rookie league doesn't have the limit.
9/14/2012 12:48 PM
Yeah, I did two this morning.   It's not unmanageable.  This one took me 4 minutes:

9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Johnnie Cox LF 22 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Clarence Douglass LF 23 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Todd Dalesandro P 22 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Spike Hall P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Trevor Lewis P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Steve Barkley P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Alvin Lanigan P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:41 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Matty Rivera P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:39 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Vin Kramer P 22 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:39 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Clete Betemit P 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:39 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Cap Johnson P 25 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers J.P. Black P 24 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Morris McKinley 2B 27 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Koyie Brower P 25 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Nate Burke P 24 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers David Jones 3B 25 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Todd Darwin C 25 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Sal Mason P 23 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Marcus Reuschel C 21 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Joe Trammell C 25 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Morris McKinley 2B 27 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers David Jones 3B 25 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Benji Marrero P 32 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Felix Bong DH 32 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Vic Dali 1B 25 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Pete Ankiel 2B 26 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Walter Kennedy C 25 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Pedro Chavez 2B 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Cesar Aneury 2B 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Rolando Tavarez P 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Jocko Cohen P 25 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Rich Durbin P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Pasqual Taveras P 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Rollie Green SS 20 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Brook Clement P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Tony Perez P 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Don Sullivan LF 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Ted Gorzelanny C 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Hugh Taylor C 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Jocko Munoz P 22 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:37 AM MikeT23 TW Challengers Ron Barnes P 20 Promoted
9/14/2012 12:49 PM
And this one took 7:

9/14/2012 8:30 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Bruce Brewington 1B 21 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:30 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Allie Ross P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:30 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Peaches Corcoran P 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:30 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Scott Drew P 22 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:30 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Enrique Polonia P 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes J.B. Wyatt P 22 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Scott McNamara CF 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Nicholas Reese 2B 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes McKay Singleton 2B 20 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Mark Brinkley 2B 20 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Willy Barfield 2B 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes P.T. Webster P 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Charlie Swift RF 25 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Jose Palacios P 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:29 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Tomas Beltre SS 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Eduardo Soto P 25 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Brian Yeager P 25 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Grover Castillo P 25 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Pete Braden RF 24 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Jose Miranda 2B 23 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Buddy Huskey C 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Rogers Carpenter 3B 25 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:28 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Carlos Prado C 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:26 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Bob Byrne CF 34 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:26 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Neftali Park C 29 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Frank Lewis P 31 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Tomas Beltre SS 21 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Bruce Brewington 1B 21 Reinstated from Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Mike Hughes C 23 Placed on Inactive List
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Rudy Evans P 20 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Rafael James P 20 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Armando Marmol C 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Roland Murray C 21 Promoted
9/14/2012 8:23 AM MikeT23 Fighting Artichokes Bobby Aspromonte P 19 Promoted
9/14/2012 12:54 PM
There weren't enforced minimums initially, right? I remember having an epidemic of minor league games not simming early on.
9/14/2012 12:58 PM
Posted by AlCheez on 9/14/2012 12:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kschoenberg on 9/14/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand how the minimum roster requirement stops someone from using up all of their money? Also, most teams have a number of players sitting in RL that can be promoted to fill other slots.
The minimum appears to be shut off for RL and if a team runs out of money they won't be able to fill that roster....even after the draft.

I guess I don't see how the minimum roster requirement hindering promotions/demotions before the season starts is liable to cause any more problems than already exist.

Now, the only way you can get under the minimums is FA/retirements, and at the very least you can't make things worse by moves. If you waive it altogether, there's nothing stopping someone from all but emptying out a level, and when the restriction comes back in, the only consequence is they can't move anyone else out. I'd be all for this if there was also added a good way to enforce compliance after the limit comes back, otherwise I would prefer to leave as is. I just promote from the bottom up, since the rookie league doesn't have the limit.
Rookie League does have the limit from the time of the draft until the end of the season.  I believe it has no limit from rollover until the draft.
9/14/2012 1:02 PM
Well aware of that, but it seemed unnecessary since the discussion is about offseason moves...
9/14/2012 1:17 PM
Al, where are they emptying a level to? Presumably they're sending them to another level that needs players. So there is no net loss of players on the teams rosters. In my 20+ seasons I've never had a rollover occur where all of my levels had 20+ so it's happening. I'm just suggesting a way to take the pain out of making your teams legal.

The minimums also don't protect against a team having no catchers, no MIs or no starting pitchers. There are plenty of ways for the owner that doesn't care to destroy a team...making it harder on the ones that do care really is of no benefit.



9/14/2012 1:21 PM
Mike, congratulations you made a bunch of moves with little thought. A monkey could probably do that. The player that wants to put the right players at the right level to promote their development as well as field competitive teams at all levels might do it a bit differently. 
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