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12/2/2013 5:42 PM
No hard on for Bernie. Your bump just reminded me of that awesomeness.
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12/2/2013 6:22 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 12/2/2013 6:03:00 PM (view original):
Because it's true?
Do you think that Bernie Williams and Edgar Martinez were comparable offensive players?
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12/2/2013 7:37 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 12/2/2013 7:10:00 PM (view original):
No.  Edgar had the edge offensively.

As total overall players . . . yes, they are very comparable.  Bernie provided additional value as a centerfielder, and with his baserunning skills, which offset Edgar's offensive edge.

Odd . . . this sounds just like the Trout / Cabrera MVP discussion last year.  Doesn't it?  Which way did you lean in that discussion?
So it isn't true. Why did you ask???

And if you read back a few pages on this thread, you'll see that I said:

"Bernie Williams was a good center fielder with an above average bat. Edgar Martinez was a DH with a much better bat. Williams' ability to play CF closes the gap a little in terms of overall value, but Martinez was still the more valuable player"

Mike argued that Bernie and Edgar were comparable offensive players. They weren't. And Edgar was so much better with the bat that they weren't really that close in total value. Both Fangraphs and Baseball Reference have them about 20 wins apart in overall value.
12/2/2013 7:39 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/30/2012 6:57:00 PM (view original):
If you vote "yes" for Edgar Martinez and "no" for Bernie Williams, you need to turn in your baseball fan badge.

Both guys constantly cranked out .300 with 25 homers.  One played the field.. 

TURN IT IN AT THE DOOR!!!!!
"Both guys constantly cranked out .300 with 25 homers.  One played the field."

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Both were comparable offensively. One played the field.

The first sentence isn't true. They weren't comparable offensively.
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12/2/2013 7:44 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/2/2013 7:41:00 PM (view original):

Uh, you quote my posts and then tell me what I meant?

That's a good way to make an argument. 

But, before you cream your pants, I won't have this one again.    Voting for Martinez and not Williams is retarded.    That's all.

You said both guys consistently put up the same stats. What else could it possibly mean?
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12/2/2013 7:59 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 12/2/2013 7:57:00 PM (view original):
Actually, he said they both constantly cranked out .300 with 25 home runs.

Looking at their stats, they each had exactly 5 seasons where they hit over .300 with 25 or more HRs.

Seems like he was spot on.


"or more" is not what he said.

Nice try.
12/2/2013 8:01 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 12/2/2013 7:57:00 PM (view original):
Plus, Bernie played the field.
Which helps him close the gap. But not enough to make up for the differences in their offensive value.
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12/2/2013 10:33 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 12/2/2013 10:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/2/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 12/2/2013 7:57:00 PM (view original):
Actually, he said they both constantly cranked out .300 with 25 home runs.

Looking at their stats, they each had exactly 5 seasons where they hit over .300 with 25 or more HRs.

Seems like he was spot on.


"or more" is not what he said.

Nice try.
I suppose if you're going to be that literal, we can just say that Mike is a flat out liar since neither one hit exactly .300 and hit exactly 25 HR's in a single season.

Dumbass.
No, he gave a rough estimate meant to imply that they were comparable offensive players. Which was my point. Thanks.
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