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12/4/2012 12:24 PM
Also, I'm only going to count WAR numbers in games that the team actually WINS.    You get no WINS above replacement player in a LOSS.   WINS is in the goddam name.  Seems like you should WIN that game.

Do you have the WAR of Cabrera and Trout in actual WINS?
12/4/2012 12:27 PM

Say this out loud:   "Your WINS above replacement player was .046 in that brutal LOSS."

Does that make any sense?

12/4/2012 12:30 PM
You have some interesting theories. Dumb as ****, but interesting.
12/4/2012 12:32 PM
Did you say that out loud?   Did it make sense in your world?   Are you comfortable saying "It all evens out over the course of a year?"    If so, acknowledge the same for W/L record and proceed to STFU.
12/4/2012 12:37 PM
I guess I don't shout loud enough, seeing as how not one of my questions has been answered.

How about this to parallel your beautiful example earlier:

Pitcher 1: 3.40 ERA, Pitcher 2: 3.31 ERA, Pitcher 3: 3.46 ERA

Do we know categorically which was better? No way, we don't have enough information. But in bad_luck's world that means:

Pitcher ERA: UTTERLY WORTHLESS!!!!
12/4/2012 12:38 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/4/2012 12:32:00 PM (view original):
Did you say that out loud?   Did it make sense in your world?   Are you comfortable saying "It all evens out over the course of a year?"    If so, acknowledge the same for W/L record and proceed to STFU.
You're a godd*mn genius. You should have a column on ESPN or Baseball Prospectus or some sh*t. Stop wasting your talents on a forum. 
12/4/2012 12:38 PM
He needs to know their FIP.
12/4/2012 12:43 PM
Posted by mfahie on 12/4/2012 12:37:00 PM (view original):
I guess I don't shout loud enough, seeing as how not one of my questions has been answered.

How about this to parallel your beautiful example earlier:

Pitcher 1: 3.40 ERA, Pitcher 2: 3.31 ERA, Pitcher 3: 3.46 ERA

Do we know categorically which was better? No way, we don't have enough information. But in bad_luck's world that means:

Pitcher ERA: UTTERLY WORTHLESS!!!!
Pitcher 2 allowed less runs. Assuming a similar amount of innings, saying he was the better pitcher isn't a stretch.

You can't do the same with W/L records. Kershaw was arguably the best pitcher in the NL this year and had a 14-9 record.

Pitcher W/L record is completely worthless and the world would be a better place if it disappeared. 
12/4/2012 12:45 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/4/2012 12:38:00 PM (view original):
He needs to know their FIP.
Wait a second . . . I thought "MORE" (wins) was "BETTER"!!!

no?
12/4/2012 1:04 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2012 11:12:00 AM (view original):
This is amazing. I really can't believe how lucky I am to have stumbled upon the last dark corner of the internet where people still argue that a pitcher's win/loss record isn't completely worthless. What a treat. After this are you guys going to argue that the earth is flat? Or make the case for a geocentric solar system?
Please keep this thread alive.
12/4/2012 1:42 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2012 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2012 11:12:00 AM (view original):
This is amazing. I really can't believe how lucky I am to have stumbled upon the last dark corner of the internet where people still argue that a pitcher's win/loss record isn't completely worthless. What a treat. After this are you guys going to argue that the earth is flat? Or make the case for a geocentric solar system?
Please keep this thread alive.
Agreed.

The masses need to see how brilliant your theory is about how wins and losses aren't meaningful in baseball.
12/4/2012 1:48 PM
What are you, 14?

Pitcher W/L record is completely meaningless. 

Team wins and losses matter.
12/4/2012 1:50 PM
And pitchers don't contribute to that?
12/4/2012 1:52 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2012 12:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mfahie on 12/4/2012 12:37:00 PM (view original):
I guess I don't shout loud enough, seeing as how not one of my questions has been answered.

How about this to parallel your beautiful example earlier:

Pitcher 1: 3.40 ERA, Pitcher 2: 3.31 ERA, Pitcher 3: 3.46 ERA

Do we know categorically which was better? No way, we don't have enough information. But in bad_luck's world that means:

Pitcher ERA: UTTERLY WORTHLESS!!!!
Pitcher 2 allowed less runs. Assuming a similar amount of innings, saying he was the better pitcher isn't a stretch.

You can't do the same with W/L records. Kershaw was arguably the best pitcher in the NL this year and had a 14-9 record.

Pitcher W/L record is completely worthless and the world would be a better place if it disappeared. 
But you don't know how many innings they pitched, or what their W/L record is, or how many strikeouts or saves they had. You have no idea because you only have ERA. Obviously, it's not enough information.

The more INFORMATION we have about a pitcher's performance, the better we are able to judge it. Including W/L record.

But I should know much, much better than to discuss reasonable, balanced ideas on the internet. The internet is full of insane morons with radical extreme positions.
12/4/2012 1:52 PM
Obviously not.  Weren't you paying attention?
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