Posted by swamphawk22 on 12/27/2012 2:03:00 AM (view original):
1 We have shown a need for farmers and hunters to have semi-autos. And how would you apply this to handguns?

2 Again I oppose all this but I can see where you are making a compromise here so ok. Can it go up to 20?

3 Instant checks are the way to go. I would have a real problem with a 30 day for all weapons.

4 I have a huge problem with this. Explain how this does anything other than facilitate weapons seizures. And gunsafes eliminate the possibility of home protection.

1. No you have not shown it. Prove it. Are farmers and hunters less capable now when they were in 1791? Has a new species of super-animal evolved? Are humans encountering more dangerous animals and life or death situations now than 1791? Or are they worse marksmen? Perhaps they should sign up for some additional training in marksmanship with the NRA or their local gun club. That would be a positive, would it not?; the ability to hit your target with fewer shots would lessen the chances that a shot hits an unintended target. You are not opposed to that are you?

2. No, you have not proven a need to be able to fire 20 shots without having to reload.

3. Why in the world are instant checks the way to go? Do you not want a potential gun owner seriously vetted? I don't care if you have a problem, real or otherwise. What is so pressing that you can't wait 30 days? Your rage might wear off? You might start thinking rationally when you get back on the meds you stopped taking? What exactly IS the problem that can't wait thirty days?   I am sure your answer will provide entertaining reading for us all!

4. This is a step in the direction of making sure that people that are NOT supposed to have guns....and you and JClark and Moe and others are all saying that we need to keep guns out of the hands of people that are not supposed to have them. So you give me a method for making sure this doesn't happen. Furthermore, I am not concerned about law-abiding gun owners. We can all agree with that, can we not? I want to make sure that someone who can legally buy a gun is not able to turn around and sell it to someone who IS NOT legally allowed to own a gun. Why would you have a problem with this? Why are you opposed to personal responsibility?
Why would a gun safe eliminate the possibility of home protection? Do you keep a loaded gun strapped to your side at all times? What about in the shower or on the crapper? So you are in favor of having a loaded gun around the house at all times? Even with children around?

Why not have a home alarm system that goes off? Would that not give you an opportunity to get to your gunsafe? Why not keep a baseball bat by your bed and when the alarm goes off wait just around the door and bash the intruder in the head when they enter your room. Unless you sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow I don't see the issue. If they mean you harm and get in to your room while you are asleep you are hosed anyway.

Next post...not sure what your point is...your link (wiki) says it is a semi-auto no longer produced. But I will say this. No resales. If you already have a semi-auto, so be it. I assume it is licensed and you  legally own it. But it will not pass on to anyone else. You can be buried with it if you want and no one will pry it from your cold, dead hands.
And yes, if one of your legally owned and licensed weapons shows up at the scene of the crime I do want the police coming to you and asking questions. Don't you?

Posted by swamphawk22 on 12/27/2012 2:05:00 AM (view original):
And I can still own this one right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82

Why, are you some commie loving Socialist who wants a gun that fires the Socialist favored 12.7 mm round? ( as reported by you to Fencer's query about bullets.)
You are an effin' joke. You spew out so much **** you can't  keep it straight. Probably can't shoot straight either, which is why clowns like you should not own anything more powerful than a Nerf gun. I bet you used to shoot birds with your Daisy, didn't you?

I was just trying to show you that no plan is perfect as your plan seems to allow people to own a sniper rifle that can take your head off at around one mile away.

And it isnt quite accurate to say that they dont make it anymore.

That specific model isnt made anymore but they have a new model.

And you can be a **** poor shot with the scope they recomend.

Can't believe we're still going back and forth on this. 

Posted by The Taint on 12/26/2012 10:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 12/26/2012 2:59:00 PM (view original):
The group is always there, but they dont try to get anything pushed through till there is a shooting.

The NRA is out there 24/7 not only educating on American 2nd Amendment freedoms, but trying to make America safer with things like the "Eddie Eagle" safety programs.

They are a muti-facted grass roots group.

The other side is all about forcing a social agenda on America that it clearly doesn want.

They need to wait for a tragedy to try to trick people into following them!

The other side is all about forcing a social agenda on America that it clearly doesn want.


So if the majority of Americans want greater gun control, or even the elimination of guns......who would be forcing their agenda on who?

No answer to this?

The Answer is people do not support it.

After the shooting the percentage of people who support the generic concept of "gun control" went way up. This could be actual but it could also be a knee jerk reaction.

This can be supported in follow up questions in recent polls.

Americans are opposed to an assualt gun ban. They are opposed to a handgun ban.

I think that the smooth talk of the anti-gun lobbys have people believing that there is some way to ban guns that are used by criminals and not take their guns away.

When people find out that you are taking their guns and their rights I believe the numbers will swing back.

And if they don't swing back.....and the majority of Americans support stricter gun control laws(as is trending now), will the minority side be forcing their social agenda on the majority?

Just last year you Were trumpeting that Americans had never voted for gay marriage, but now three states have. The tides are a changing.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 12/27/2012 4:52:00 AM (view original):
I was just trying to show you that no plan is perfect as your plan seems to allow people to own a sniper rifle that can take your head off at around one mile away.

And it isnt quite accurate to say that they dont make it anymore.

That specific model isnt made anymore but they have a new model.

And you can be a **** poor shot with the scope they recomend.

nice job avoiding the preceding post. You always say "Ask me direct questions and I will respond." Except apparently when it's clear you have nothing to say.

As for this...you fail again. The first thing your link said was that this was a semi-automatic. Therefore it is banned based on what I said. Your link said that it is not made any more. Not  sure you even know what your point is.

And of course, the great fear is that a sniper will take out a kindergarten class one shot a time from a mile away.  "What a maroon," as Bugs would say.

Posted by seamar_116 on 12/27/2012 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 12/27/2012 4:52:00 AM (view original):
I was just trying to show you that no plan is perfect as your plan seems to allow people to own a sniper rifle that can take your head off at around one mile away.

And it isnt quite accurate to say that they dont make it anymore.

That specific model isnt made anymore but they have a new model.

And you can be a **** poor shot with the scope they recomend.

nice job avoiding the preceding post. You always say "Ask me direct questions and I will respond." Except apparently when it's clear you have nothing to say.

As for this...you fail again. The first thing your link said was that this was a semi-automatic. Therefore it is banned based on what I said. Your link said that it is not made any more. Not  sure you even know what your point is.

And of course, the great fear is that a sniper will take out a kindergarten class one shot a time from a mile away.  "What a maroon," as Bugs would say.

You are correct.

I posted a semi auto .50 cal sniper rifle.

Thought I posted a bolt action.

I was wrong and you are right about this post. Sorry.

Posted by The Taint on 12/27/2012 1:46:00 PM (view original):
And if they don't swing back.....and the majority of Americans support stricter gun control laws(as is trending now), will the minority side be forcing their social agenda on the majority?

Just last year you Were trumpeting that Americans had never voted for gay marriage, but now three states have. The tides are a changing.

The majority still oppose banning assualt weapons and a HUGE majority oppose banning handguns.

So where does that leave us?

Again I am willing to explore area of compromise.

would a limit on total weapons a specific person can own work.

Maybe 8 or less?

Limit magazines to 20 (or Semar wants it to be 10).

I am wondering what the people who want gun control but oppose AG and handgun bans want?

Fox News boss Rupert Murdoch tweets his support for gun control

The owner of Fox News disagrees with his own network stars about tighter gun control. Rupert Murdoch, billionaire proprietor of the conservative-leaning news network, wrote on Twitter late Friday: "Terrible news today. When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons?" Fox is home to contributors who usually oppose new gun restrictions, but when the channel's paymaster dissents, will that signal a tipping point in the gun control debate? The Twittersphere's responses were decidedly divided. Semi-automatic assault rifles like the Bushmaster .223 found at Sandy Hook have been legal in the U.S. since their federal ban lapsed in 2004, though some states maintain their own restrictions. 

There are people on the right that are varying degrees of conservative when dealing with different social issues.

The thing that really binds all Conservatives is economic liberty!

No the thing that binds Conservatives is being dumb as ****!

Or so Saturday Night Live would have us believe!

I don't watch Saturday Night Live. I just listen to them talk. Unlike those on the right who need Rush and Fixed News to tell them how to think, I can come to conclusions on my own.