Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:05:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:04:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:53:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 2:52:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:43:00 PM (view original):I think this might go 40 pages until BL manages to shift the direction of the discussion. The Federal Gov't has never altered the accepted definition of marriage from "one man, one woman". That is a simple fact that doesn't work in BL's argument.I may be wrong , but The Feds didnt define marriage until the 90's. Irrelevant even if you're right/wrong. My argument is that their ruling in 1967, overturning state restrictions, did not alter the accepted definition of marriage of "one man, one woman". No precedent was set in 1967 wrt the definition of marriage.I think you may be the one who doesn't understand how precedent works. Countering with "you're dumb" doesn't change the facts. You've been parading "1967" as the time SCOTUS set the precedent of changing the definition of marriage. They didn't. A simple fact.
Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:04:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:53:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 2:52:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:43:00 PM (view original):I think this might go 40 pages until BL manages to shift the direction of the discussion. The Federal Gov't has never altered the accepted definition of marriage from "one man, one woman". That is a simple fact that doesn't work in BL's argument.I may be wrong , but The Feds didnt define marriage until the 90's. Irrelevant even if you're right/wrong. My argument is that their ruling in 1967, overturning state restrictions, did not alter the accepted definition of marriage of "one man, one woman". No precedent was set in 1967 wrt the definition of marriage.I think you may be the one who doesn't understand how precedent works.
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:53:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 2:52:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:43:00 PM (view original):I think this might go 40 pages until BL manages to shift the direction of the discussion. The Federal Gov't has never altered the accepted definition of marriage from "one man, one woman". That is a simple fact that doesn't work in BL's argument.I may be wrong , but The Feds didnt define marriage until the 90's. Irrelevant even if you're right/wrong. My argument is that their ruling in 1967, overturning state restrictions, did not alter the accepted definition of marriage of "one man, one woman". No precedent was set in 1967 wrt the definition of marriage.
Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 2:52:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:43:00 PM (view original):I think this might go 40 pages until BL manages to shift the direction of the discussion. The Federal Gov't has never altered the accepted definition of marriage from "one man, one woman". That is a simple fact that doesn't work in BL's argument.I may be wrong , but The Feds didnt define marriage until the 90's.
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 2:43:00 PM (view original):I think this might go 40 pages until BL manages to shift the direction of the discussion. The Federal Gov't has never altered the accepted definition of marriage from "one man, one woman". That is a simple fact that doesn't work in BL's argument.
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:15:00 PM (view original):The Federal government has NEVER changed the accepted "one man, one woman" definition of marriage.
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:25:00 PM (view original):No, they didn't. The forced states to lift restrictions. They did not change the definition. A simple fact.
Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:32:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:25:00 PM (view original):No, they didn't. The forced states to lift restrictions. They did not change the definition. A simple fact.Ok. So now they can force states to lift restrictions on gender.
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:33:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:32:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:25:00 PM (view original):No, they didn't. The forced states to lift restrictions. They did not change the definition. A simple fact.Ok. So now they can force states to lift restrictions on gender. That would be changing the accepted definition of marriage. There's no precedent for that.
Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:35:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:33:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:32:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:25:00 PM (view original):No, they didn't. The forced states to lift restrictions. They did not change the definition. A simple fact.Ok. So now they can force states to lift restrictions on gender. That would be changing the accepted definition of marriage. There's no precedent for that.Except for when the definition of marriage was limited to same race couples. And then they changed it.
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:35:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:33:00 PM (view original):Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2013 3:32:00 PM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2013 3:25:00 PM (view original):No, they didn't. The forced states to lift restrictions. They did not change the definition. A simple fact.Ok. So now they can force states to lift restrictions on gender. That would be changing the accepted definition of marriage. There's no precedent for that.Except for when the definition of marriage was limited to same race couples. And then they changed it. We'll call that an "accessory" to the definition of marriage added by some states. The basic, accepted definition of marriage was not changed. Has never been changed. One man, one woman. No precedent was set.
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