12/29/2013 7:10 PM
I guess you're right. The only people being harmed are gay couples who are denied marriage rights in North Dakota.
12/29/2013 7:20 PM
It's easy to not live in North Dakota.   I'm doing it right now with no effort whatsoever.
12/29/2013 8:09 PM
Oh, ok. Mike's right. No one is being harmed.
12/29/2013 10:39 PM
For somebody who was going to "deal with it when the time comes", you're doing a pretty ****-poor job of dealing with it.
12/29/2013 11:27 PM
What exactly is there to deal with? A simple loophole? Ok. Close the loophole. If someone is married in a state other than North Dakota (regardless of whether or not ND recognizes the marriage) they can't marry someone else in ND. Problem dealt with.

What problem do you have?
12/30/2013 7:20 AM
My "problem" is that you said that SSM wouldn't cause any problems.  It has,  Your "solution" is to force ND to do something that they have no legal/constitutional obligation to do.

That's not much of a solution, is it?
12/30/2013 9:50 AM
This problem isn't being caused by gay marriage. It's being caused by North Dakota not properly vetting people applying to get married.

The solution is simple. ND needs to ask people if they are married in another state. If they are, it should refuse to marry them again.

Why wouldn't ND want to do that?
12/30/2013 10:04 AM
And if the person says "Yes but you do not recognize it as a legal marriage"?
12/30/2013 10:10 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2013 9:50:00 AM (view original):
This problem isn't being caused by gay marriage. It's being caused by North Dakota not properly vetting people applying to get married.

The solution is simple. ND needs to ask people if they are married in another state. If they are, it should refuse to marry them again.

Why wouldn't ND want to do that?
ND does not recognize SSM is other states as valid marriages.  Nor are they legally or constitutionally obliged to.

Your "solution" seems to want to force ND to do so.

On what legal or constitutional grounds is your solution based on?

12/30/2013 10:19 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 12/30/2013 10:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2013 9:50:00 AM (view original):
This problem isn't being caused by gay marriage. It's being caused by North Dakota not properly vetting people applying to get married.

The solution is simple. ND needs to ask people if they are married in another state. If they are, it should refuse to marry them again.

Why wouldn't ND want to do that?
ND does not recognize SSM is other states as valid marriages.  Nor are they legally or constitutionally obliged to.

Your "solution" seems to want to force ND to do so.

On what legal or constitutional grounds is your solution based on?

This is not state recognition of the marriage. It's just asking if someone is married in another state and then refusing to marry them if they are.
12/30/2013 10:19 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2013 10:04:00 AM (view original):
And if the person says "Yes but you do not recognize it as a legal marriage"?
Refuse to marry them.
12/30/2013 10:22 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2013 10:19:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 12/30/2013 10:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2013 9:50:00 AM (view original):
This problem isn't being caused by gay marriage. It's being caused by North Dakota not properly vetting people applying to get married.

The solution is simple. ND needs to ask people if they are married in another state. If they are, it should refuse to marry them again.

Why wouldn't ND want to do that?
ND does not recognize SSM is other states as valid marriages.  Nor are they legally or constitutionally obliged to.

Your "solution" seems to want to force ND to do so.

On what legal or constitutional grounds is your solution based on?

This is not state recognition of the marriage. It's just asking if someone is married in another state and then refusing to marry them if they are.
Wouldn't that be "state recognition of the marriage"?
12/30/2013 10:23 AM
Nope. The gay marriage the other state wouldn't be valid in ND.
12/30/2013 10:38 AM

If it's not recognized as valid in ND, then why are you expecting that ND can tell somebody "sorry, you can't get married in ND because you're already married somewhere else"?

Is this somehow very confusing to you?

12/30/2013 10:48 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2013 10:19:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2013 10:04:00 AM (view original):
And if the person says "Yes but you do not recognize it as a legal marriage"?
Refuse to marry them.

Wouldn't that then be recognizing it as a legal marriage?  

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