6/29/2013 5:36 PM
Posted by headpirate on 6/29/2013 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by shobob on 6/29/2013 4:32:00 PM (view original):
 George Ford is a pitcher with vel, gb/fb and p1 all at 85+.  Look at those stunning numbers that he's putting up in AAA
While I do not have a side in the forum vs rangerup, and certainly do not have the resume of some, Ford's issues appear to be more Control related -- if it were 78+, I think his results would be much different
He'd still be a below average MLB pitcher. The "big 3" do not make up for ****** splits.
6/29/2013 6:28 PM
Eugenio Guevara would disagree.
6/29/2013 6:54 PM
57/70 is not ****** splits.
6/29/2013 7:17 PM
Posted by isack24 on 6/29/2013 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Eugenio Guevara would disagree.
Disagree to what?
6/29/2013 7:22 PM
True, not ******, but certainly not good. And that's a 3.19 ERA in 147 career starts. So elite ERA with mediocre-at-best splits.
6/29/2013 7:25 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 6/29/2013 7:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by isack24 on 6/29/2013 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Eugenio Guevara would disagree.
Disagree to what?
Well as I just acknowledged, it wasn't directly on point because he doesn't have ****** splits. 

But I'm still waiting for someone to show me a 60/60 guy with elite V/GB/Pitches and decent control. I think that person could definitely be an above average pitcher in the right circumstances.
6/29/2013 7:56 PM
Well, ****, if 57/70 is "certainly not good", Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Ernie Thurman is a good example of **** velocity, "certainly not good" splits and nice results.
6/29/2013 7:57 PM
6/29/2013 8:31 PM
Posted by headpirate on 6/29/2013 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by shobob on 6/29/2013 4:32:00 PM (view original):
 George Ford is a pitcher with vel, gb/fb and p1 all at 85+.  Look at those stunning numbers that he's putting up in AAA
While I do not have a side in the forum vs rangerup, and certainly do not have the resume of some, Ford's issues appear to be more Control related -- if it were 78+, I think his results would be much different
I don't recall mr. up mentioning anything about control being an important rating to look at.  Seems to me that he insists that having a dominant "big three" makes up for other shortcomings.  And as for if this guy had a 78 + control, he'd be on my ML squad as a SUB
6/30/2013 1:45 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/29/2013 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Well, ****, if 57/70 is "certainly not good", Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Ernie Thurman is a good example of **** velocity, "certainly not good" splits and nice results.
Would you classify 57/70 as "good"?

Sure, it's probably about average, but that guy puts up CY numbers.
6/30/2013 6:41 AM

If I see a 70 VR, I don't discount the pitcher as "meh".    "The big 3" is certainly bullshit but a 70 VR will work just fine if the other ratings are good enough.  Obviously my example of Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Mark Camp shows that I'll use 53/61 with regularity.

6/30/2013 7:50 AM
Posted by isack24 on 6/30/2013 1:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/29/2013 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Well, ****, if 57/70 is "certainly not good", Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Ernie Thurman is a good example of **** velocity, "certainly not good" splits and nice results.
Would you classify 57/70 as "good"?

Sure, it's probably about average, but that guy puts up CY numbers.
In which season did that guy put up "CY numbers"?
6/30/2013 10:25 AM
I assume we can all agree that W/L isn't an acceptable way to judge performance, so Season 17.

OAVG .218
OOPS .559
WHIP 1.03
ERA 2.23

Those are certainly CY numbers. Aside from that, the guy has a career .243/.291/.360 with a 1.16/3.19 WHIP/ERA. Those are fringe HOF numbers in a lot of worlds. He's not the best pitcher ever, but he is certainly outpitching his splits by a significant margin.
6/30/2013 11:00 AM
Posted by burnsy483 on 6/29/2013 5:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by headpirate on 6/29/2013 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by shobob on 6/29/2013 4:32:00 PM (view original):
 George Ford is a pitcher with vel, gb/fb and p1 all at 85+.  Look at those stunning numbers that he's putting up in AAA
While I do not have a side in the forum vs rangerup, and certainly do not have the resume of some, Ford's issues appear to be more Control related -- if it were 78+, I think his results would be much different
He'd still be a below average MLB pitcher. The "big 3" do not make up for ****** splits.
Ok. As stated was not coming to defense of ranger. I tend to think, admittedly without the proven results, that control can be the equalizer of bad splits.
6/30/2013 11:04 AM
Posted by shobob on 6/29/2013 8:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by headpirate on 6/29/2013 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by shobob on 6/29/2013 4:32:00 PM (view original):
 George Ford is a pitcher with vel, gb/fb and p1 all at 85+.  Look at those stunning numbers that he's putting up in AAA
While I do not have a side in the forum vs rangerup, and certainly do not have the resume of some, Ford's issues appear to be more Control related -- if it were 78+, I think his results would be much different
I don't recall mr. up mentioning anything about control being an important rating to look at.  Seems to me that he insists that having a dominant "big three" makes up for other shortcomings.  And as for if this guy had a 78 + control, he'd be on my ML squad as a SUB
True, and I was not offering a defense of ranger premise. I added my own qualifier that control can be the equalizer to bad splits (or less than desired split ratings.
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