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6/21/2013 2:45 PM
In sports there's usually a seven game series to decide the better team, I'm not really sure how else to measure.* Why have a post season?
That's the crux of it.  They have the series to decide the winner.  Not the better team.  You have a post season to have a "Winner."

*Yes, you are sure how else to measure.  You look at the totality of the evidence, which includes (but is not limited to) things that happened in a specific set of seven games.
I'm married, you gotta do better than doodooface to be dickishness.
Take that attitude to the SLB forum and see where it gets you, weener.

6/21/2013 2:45 PM
You should hang out with Mrs. Taint.
6/21/2013 2:47 PM
i admit I'm mistaken. You guys are correct, the weaker team can win a series. Lots of examples pop right to mind.


Still don't think that's the case here.
6/21/2013 2:48 PM
You are a good Internet person.  Doodooface.
6/21/2013 3:17 PM
Posted by stinenavy on 6/21/2013 2:07:00 PM (view original):
The NBA has most impactful HCA in any major sport and in this series the Heat had an advantage there with one more game. Wouldn't that make it harder to determine what team was better?
Is that actually true? Not doubting you, just surprised it's not the NFL.
6/21/2013 3:18 PM
So you honestly believe that people are now going to say "well, LeBron didn't like Cleveland very much.  I was going to go there for vacation next summer, but now I'm not!"  I think that's ridiculous.  Nobody ever went to State College for any reason other than to see Penn State football games.  It's a small town.  It also sucks (subjective opinion, but it's never sunny there, and a lot of the town is remarkably rundown given all the money the football program brought in).  Of course, not a lot of people visit Cleveland either.  It's not exactly a tourism-based economy.  What tourism does come through is primarily for the Rock 'n Roll HOF, which likely will not be meaningfully impacted by LeBron.  Can you give some explanation for the mechanism you think allowed The Decision to add additional economic harms to the Cleveland economy beyond the fact that LeBron was longer playing there and drawing basketball fans from all over the world?  I'm willing to concede that there was likely a tangible - although probably quite small in the grand scheme of the overall Cleveland economy - negative impact to the local economy as a result of LeBron leaving.  But I really don't see how making it public affected that economic impact.  Frankly, I think you're grasping at straws here because you now realize you made 2 incongruous statements and you're hoping to retroactively link them.
6/21/2013 3:26 PM
Posted by ike1024 on 6/21/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by stinenavy on 6/21/2013 2:07:00 PM (view original):
The NBA has most impactful HCA in any major sport and in this series the Heat had an advantage there with one more game. Wouldn't that make it harder to determine what team was better?
Is that actually true? Not doubting you, just surprised it's not the NFL.
Here's something:



www.sbnation.com/2011/1/19/1940438/home-field-advantage-sports-stats-data

6/21/2013 3:41 PM
No, I think any reasonable person would tend to think that the economic impact of the decision is minimal.  But nobody has ever accused you of being reasonable.
6/21/2013 3:53 PM
How about some data?

That's kind of a joke.  In my half-assed attempt, I wasn't able to find much data.  I believe the effect was minimal.  I don't buy that these hypothetical people exist - the ones who originally thought, "Cleveland sounds like a nice place to go," then, upon hearing that LeBron James wanted to work and live elsewhere, thought, "Wow, that Cleveland place sounds awful.  I'm not going to go there."

Also, the economy was already in the shitter at the time, and didn't get worse as far as I can tell.

6/21/2013 4:20 PM
You won't share it.  Every time you bring up economics you assert that you have superior knowledge and refuse to share it.  This sounds very familiar - similar to how you know EXACTLY how socialism can work, you just can't explain it to anyone.
6/21/2013 4:25 PM
Frankly, though, you're right - I'm probably not going to put much stock in the economic analysis of someone who thinks six figures = millions.

Low 6 figures I might even buy, but on the scope of one of the 30 largest metro areas in the United States a few hundred thousand really is pretty damn insignificant.

6/21/2013 4:26 PM
No offense, but screw you right in the face.   "You probably don't know enough about x" is no kind of argument.  Address the assertion or don't.
6/21/2013 4:35 PM
I think it's pretty likely that LeBron leaving had a significant negative impact on Cleveland.  I'd be genuinely curious to see some numbers on it.

I don't really buy that the manner in which he left made it worse, though.  It made people angrier sure, but I think that was more directed at LeBron personally than the city of Cleveland.  As a mostly neutral observer of that fiasco, his cold-hearted dissing of Cleveland didn't make me think worse of the city..it just made me think LeBron was kind of an *******.
6/21/2013 4:41 PM (edited)
Other than a few out-of-towners coming to see him, where's the potential loss come from?  Money spent by locals on the Cleveland LeBrons probably still got spent, right?  I accept the possibility that I have this wrong, and I'd like to see data as well.  I've been bad at locating pertinent data.
6/21/2013 4:50 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/what-cleveland-lost-when-it-lost-lebron/59480/

This article cites a number from the Chicago Chamber of Commerce.  They estimated the impact of LeBron potentially signing with the Bulls to be about $2.5 billion.  I would think the reverse impact from leaving Cleveland would be a lot smaller than that, but that's a big number. 
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