Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 8:04:00 AM (view original):
Posted by rsp777 on 7/11/2013 10:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/11/2013 8:43:00 PM (view original):The point is "lard-*** yank-me ********", that you can't just magically take those two things away and say he's a "debateable" top ten of all-time. Dude was a .500 pitcher who walked more guys than anyone in history by a mile. Thus...MEDIOCRITY. Sure, he sold tickets, sure he was fun to watch, but there's at LEAST 50 guys in history I'd take in front of "Mr. Walk". ****...he deserves that name more than BOB Walk.
Did I just say "except W/L or BB9"?
Can you read, baldie?
Uh, you midwestern retard, he's 5th all-time in IP. Since he did walk a batter every other inning, he should be WAY up there in career walks. Nobody is debating the fact that he and homeplate weren't always close pals. He was also allergic to giving up hits. IMO, if I have a guy going 9 and giving up 11 baserunners, I'm OK with 5 of them being walks. Would you rather he give up 11 hits and no walks?
And, for the record, GTFO = Get The **** Out. I don't think Ryan is a debatable top 10. Top 25.
Mikey, you did say BB/9 was a problem for him. So its not just longevity.
Now, if I take away his iffy WHIP, can I make an argument for Wilson Alvarez (even with Nolan Ryan in career ERA+) as top 50 pitcher all time?
That's all rsp and I are saying here, to a degree.
Dear Nolan Ryan, If you're so damn good, why the f*ck are you sharing territory with Wilson freaking Alvarez in a statistic that captures more of the essential elements of the pitcher's value than others?
The one answer I have heard that has resonated is because the guy threw the ball so damn much, you would have some operational/administrative value when managing the rest of your roster.
Resources could be used on a better bench, a better bat, rather than another arm in the pen. Or maybe your relievers are that much more rested the day after a Nolan start, giving you a better chance to win THAT game, rather than the game Nolan was in.
That's the best I've heard. The fanboy drooling over strikeouts - while attractive - doesn't really resonate, nor does the purely subjective statements of "Top-whatever all-time!".
Anything else to offer?