7/16/2013 12:17 PM
Did he kick the **** out of Zimmerman? Martin didn't have any of Zimmerman's DNA on his hands.
7/16/2013 12:25 PM
It was all about the Skittles.  Face it, fat kids love candy and aren't above killing for it.
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7/16/2013 12:31 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by silentpadna on 7/16/2013 11:15:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 11:06:00 AM (view original):
Blame the media.  Racism makes for a good story, and makes money for the media outlets.

This should NOT have been a national story.  If the story was "adult man accused of shooting unarmed teenage boy", it very likely would not have been publicized outside of the community in which it occurred.  But once the media decides to embellish it as "white man (actually Hispanic, but white makes for a much better story) shoots unarmed black teenager", it takes on a much different feeling.  Emotions are inflamed, sides are taken, and racial divisiveness rules the day.  And that is a story that sells.

How does that help to curb racist attitudes in this country? I don't believe it does; it just continues to propagate racial divisiveness, an attitude of "us against them".  It's very sad to me that in 2013, we're unable to move forward in combating racism.
Ignoring obvious racism doesn't help us move forward in combating racism.
What actual evidence do you have that is was obvious racism?  Unless, of course, you are talking about the media outlets  being racist (especially NBC that edited the 911 tape to make it LOOK like racism).

I'm not saying racism wasn't involved, but if is "obvious" to you, how do you know specifically?
Purely my opinion, no evidence.

I think Zimmerman followed Martin because Martin was black. That's racism, whether or not Zimmerman hates black people.

I think the Florida law is terrible. It allowed Zimmerman to (credit John Oliver):
Get a gun. Follow an unarmed minor.
Call the police. Have them explicitly tell you to stop following him.
Then choose to ignore that. Keep following the minor.
Get into a confrontation with him and then, if at any point you get scared, you can shoot the minor to death and the state of Florida will say, "well look, you did what you could."

I think the jury was able to relate to Zimmerman's fear of a black person and had an easier time finding him not guilty. When other juries in Florida have returned guilty verdicts in much clearer cases of self defense, see Marissa Alexander.

It's not KKK, out-to-lynch-a-black-kid racism. It's systematic, subtle racism and it allowed this trial to be about the fear of an unknown black person instead of the murder of an unarmed teenager.

Again, all just my opinion, no actual evidence.

Maybe it's not a great idea to offer your "opinion, no actual evidence" as fact.

Seriously, that's the kind of attitude that just propagates racist attitudes in this country.  People are quick to jump on the "RACIST!!!!" bandwagon without knowing (or often even caring about) the facts.  And that is fueled by the media. 

IIRC, the Trayvon Martin story was already national news before the body was cold, and people were calling for Zimmerman's head in the name of "JUSTICE!!!" without knowing a single ******* fact about what did or didn't happen.  George Zimmerman was guilty of a racially motivated crime in the court of public opinion before the kid was buried.

I'll be the first to admit, I didn't care to follow this case or this trial beyond the unavoidable "in your face" coverage plastered all over the evening news and CNN.com.  For all I know, George Zimmerman may have had "I HATE N*****S" tatooed in four inch letters across his chest.  But unless and until you know any facts about what happened and why it happened, crying "RACIST!!!" does a hell of a lot more harm than good.  It inflames people and creates divisiveness, quite possibly for no supported reason.
7/16/2013 12:33 PM
Other than Zimmerman, there was no eye witness. I think the medical examiner said Zimmerman's injuries were from one punch. Would you consider one punch an *** kicking?
7/16/2013 12:35 PM
Evidence of racism?  Waiting......



.......crickets chirping.......



.....waiting.......
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7/16/2013 12:43 PM
Posted by silentpadna on 7/16/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Evidence of racism?  Waiting......



.......crickets chirping.......



.....waiting.......
I said I don't have any. It's just my opinion.
7/16/2013 12:44 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):
All else aside, it's ridiculously stupid to say this:   "If the kid had been white Zimmerman would be in prison."
You're right. As Taint said, if the kid had been white, this never would have happened. Zimmerman would have left him alone.
7/16/2013 12:45 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):
The Sanford police didn't arrest Zimmerman because of the evidence on the scene.    After some outcry of a racial killing, with pictures of a 12 y/o Marting plastered all over the place, they were forced to arrest him.

FWIW, Zimmerman is likely a POS who was looking for a reason to be a "hero" in his mind.   Martin gave it to him.  No idea if skin color played into it all.   Or if Zimmerman had any intention of firing his weapon at any point in time.   But, when he was unexpectedly getting his *** kicked, he had the laws of self-defense on his side.
The law is horrible.

You pick a fight with an unarmed kid and if you get scared, murder him.
7/16/2013 12:47 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by silentpadna on 7/16/2013 11:15:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 11:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 11:06:00 AM (view original):
Blame the media.  Racism makes for a good story, and makes money for the media outlets.

This should NOT have been a national story.  If the story was "adult man accused of shooting unarmed teenage boy", it very likely would not have been publicized outside of the community in which it occurred.  But once the media decides to embellish it as "white man (actually Hispanic, but white makes for a much better story) shoots unarmed black teenager", it takes on a much different feeling.  Emotions are inflamed, sides are taken, and racial divisiveness rules the day.  And that is a story that sells.

How does that help to curb racist attitudes in this country? I don't believe it does; it just continues to propagate racial divisiveness, an attitude of "us against them".  It's very sad to me that in 2013, we're unable to move forward in combating racism.
Ignoring obvious racism doesn't help us move forward in combating racism.
What actual evidence do you have that is was obvious racism?  Unless, of course, you are talking about the media outlets  being racist (especially NBC that edited the 911 tape to make it LOOK like racism).

I'm not saying racism wasn't involved, but if is "obvious" to you, how do you know specifically?
Purely my opinion, no evidence.

I think Zimmerman followed Martin because Martin was black. That's racism, whether or not Zimmerman hates black people.

I think the Florida law is terrible. It allowed Zimmerman to (credit John Oliver):
Get a gun. Follow an unarmed minor.
Call the police. Have them explicitly tell you to stop following him.
Then choose to ignore that. Keep following the minor.
Get into a confrontation with him and then, if at any point you get scared, you can shoot the minor to death and the state of Florida will say, "well look, you did what you could."

I think the jury was able to relate to Zimmerman's fear of a black person and had an easier time finding him not guilty. When other juries in Florida have returned guilty verdicts in much clearer cases of self defense, see Marissa Alexander.

It's not KKK, out-to-lynch-a-black-kid racism. It's systematic, subtle racism and it allowed this trial to be about the fear of an unknown black person instead of the murder of an unarmed teenager.

Again, all just my opinion, no actual evidence.

Maybe it's not a great idea to offer your "opinion, no actual evidence" as fact.

Seriously, that's the kind of attitude that just propagates racist attitudes in this country.  People are quick to jump on the "RACIST!!!!" bandwagon without knowing (or often even caring about) the facts.  And that is fueled by the media. 

IIRC, the Trayvon Martin story was already national news before the body was cold, and people were calling for Zimmerman's head in the name of "JUSTICE!!!" without knowing a single ******* fact about what did or didn't happen.  George Zimmerman was guilty of a racially motivated crime in the court of public opinion before the kid was buried.

I'll be the first to admit, I didn't care to follow this case or this trial beyond the unavoidable "in your face" coverage plastered all over the evening news and CNN.com.  For all I know, George Zimmerman may have had "I HATE N*****S" tatooed in four inch letters across his chest.  But unless and until you know any facts about what happened and why it happened, crying "RACIST!!!" does a hell of a lot more harm than good.  It inflames people and creates divisiveness, quite possibly for no supported reason.
I see what your problem is. You take everything as fact (this seems to be a running theme with you). You'd literally have to be retarded to think that my first statement was fact instead of opinion.
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