Posted by bad_luck on 8/8/2013 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by arvidjosef on 8/8/2013 4:50:00 PM (view original):The HR are absolutely relevant. The RBI, not so much.
miggy had a slightly better average and
14 more homers and 57 more rbi. 14, 57.
I had just written up a long response to this post, but unfortunately I was an idiot and changed pages without submitting it first. The crux of it is that while the oldschool guys overrate RBI, the pure stat guys massively underrate them. Trout had a slightly lower AVG and slightly higher K rate with RISP than he did with the bases empty. Very close, insignificantly far off, really, but still there. And reflected in similar slight declines in contact rate and AVG this year in RISP situations. Also statistically insignificant, if anything possibly a reflection of pitchers bearing down a bit harder with RISP.
But Cabrera's AVG increases with RISP and his K-rate declines, both in 2012 as well as 2011 and this season. The guy knows how to shorten his swing to make solid contact and drive in runs when he doesn't need XBH to cash in. Obviously the exact scenarios are not identical, but if we assume they average to similar over the course of a season, it's worth noting that Trout drove in .47 runs per AB with RISP, while Miggy drove in .51.
Yes, to a great extent RBI are a team stat. But Cabrera has a particular skill/talent for driving in runs when he has the opportunities to do so. At this point in his career, Trout has not developed that skill. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But for 2012, RBIs, or at least performance in RBI opportunities, is absolutely germane to the MVP discussion.