Posted by MikeT23 on 2/7/2014 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Well, you seem to be compartmentalizing my argument.  

1.  I think he played long enough and I think he had a nice run of "peak years."    HOF eligible.
2.  He was a pretty good hitter but, unfortunately, he didn't play the field.   That's a mark in the bad column.
3.  He was a 3-4-5 hitter but, IMO, he walked a great deal.   Was he pitched around?  Unlikely with A-Rod and Griffey in the line-up.  Bad, IMO.
4.  It's not like when he swung, he made connection.   He struck out once every 6 AB.   Bad.
5.  We're speculating but we seem to agree he became a DH to lessen the risk of injury.  Bad.

All in all, he was a pretty good hitter.  Maybe even really good.   But he wasn't dominant at the plate during his peak and he didn't play the field.   That's just no HOF material to me.

I mentioned #4 in relation to #3.   I think he walked because he choose not to swing not because he always hit the ball when he swung.   I agree not making an out is a good thing but, as I said, I view the "job" of the 3/4/5 guys differently than I do the 1/2 or even the 8/9.   "Pass it to the next guy" isn't what I want on the minds of my 3/4/5 batters. 

Martinez's peak years fell well within the careers of A-Rod/Griffey.   Let's not pretend they didn't. 

Finally, we're not discussing Jeter's HOF-qualifications.  He's still active.  Let's stay on topic.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/7/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):

I mentioned #4 in relation to #3.   I think he walked because he choose not to swing not because he always hit the ball when he swung.   I agree not making an out is a good thing but, as I said, I view the "job" of the 3/4/5 guys differently than I do the 1/2 or even the 8/9.   "Pass it to the next guy" isn't what I want on the minds of my 3/4/5 batters. 

Martinez's peak years fell well within the careers of A-Rod/Griffey.   Let's not pretend they didn't. 

Finally, we're not discussing Jeter's HOF-qualifications.  He's still active.  Let's stay on topic.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2014 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/7/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):

I mentioned #4 in relation to #3.   I think he walked because he choose not to swing not because he always hit the ball when he swung.   I agree not making an out is a good thing but, as I said, I view the "job" of the 3/4/5 guys differently than I do the 1/2 or even the 8/9.   "Pass it to the next guy" isn't what I want on the minds of my 3/4/5 batters. 

Martinez's peak years fell well within the careers of A-Rod/Griffey.   Let's not pretend they didn't. 

Finally, we're not discussing Jeter's HOF-qualifications.  He's still active.  Let's stay on topic.

Retarded. The job of all hitters is to no make outs. The alternative to a walk is usually not a hit, it's usually an out. Walking less makes hitters less valuable, even in the 3/4/5 slot.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2014 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/7/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):

I mentioned #4 in relation to #3.   I think he walked because he choose not to swing not because he always hit the ball when he swung.   I agree not making an out is a good thing but, as I said, I view the "job" of the 3/4/5 guys differently than I do the 1/2 or even the 8/9.   "Pass it to the next guy" isn't what I want on the minds of my 3/4/5 batters. 

Martinez's peak years fell well within the careers of A-Rod/Griffey.   Let's not pretend they didn't. 

Finally, we're not discussing Jeter's HOF-qualifications.  He's still active.  Let's stay on topic.

Retarded. The job of all hitters is to not make outs. The alternative to a walk is usually not a hit, it's usually an out. Walking less makes hitters less valuable, even in the 3/4/5 slot.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/7/2014 1:06:00 PM (view original):
I've ignored you "Martinez/Mantle" comparisons because that's retarded.   Do you really expect me to address your dumbassery?

Edgar Martinez's mom once said "Edgar is good but please don't compare him to Mantle.  That would be retarded."

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/7/2014 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2014 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/7/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):

I mentioned #4 in relation to #3.   I think he walked because he choose not to swing not because he always hit the ball when he swung.   I agree not making an out is a good thing but, as I said, I view the "job" of the 3/4/5 guys differently than I do the 1/2 or even the 8/9.   "Pass it to the next guy" isn't what I want on the minds of my 3/4/5 batters. 

Martinez's peak years fell well within the careers of A-Rod/Griffey.   Let's not pretend they didn't. 

Finally, we're not discussing Jeter's HOF-qualifications.  He's still active.  Let's stay on topic.

Retarded. The job of all hitters is to not make outs. The alternative to a walk is usually not a hit, it's usually an out. Walking less makes hitters less valuable, even in the 3/4/5 slot.

The idea is to score runs.   First and third, two outs.   Do you want Edgar Martinez swinging or passing it on to Mike Blauser?