Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Our judicial system doesn't work if you've already decided guilt/innocence. 

And our law enforcement system can't work if they decide potential for guilt/innocence based on skin color.  Which is the underlying reason these protests exist.

Not really applicable in this case is it?    Brown stole cigars.   Brown attacked a cop.   He's guilty of at least two crimes on the day of his death. 

One can only guess but the same idiots that rioted against the "not guilty" verdict probably would have rioted to celebrate a "guilty" verdict.

Posted by tecwrg on 11/26/2014 9:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/26/2014 9:29:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 11/26/2014 12:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/25/2014 11:07:00 PM (view original):
That's not an answer.

What is your definition of "justice"?

I didn't realize you wanted an actual definition.

Justice: using the law to fairly resolve crimes.

Do you think that perhaps justice was done in this particular case?

Perhaps. My point is that the Ferguson PD has done enough in the past to put doubt in the minds of the people in the community.

I'm not usually a huge fan of Vox, but this was interesting:

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side

Of course you would find that "interesting".  It fits your pre-conceived version of what you want the story to be.

I don't want anything other than the truth. Wilson being justified is a much better ending to this story than the other way around. The problem is that his story, the one he gave immediately after the incident, is unbelievable.

Do you have any indication that what was presented to the grand jury wasn't "the truth"?  Or do you think the case was rigged to get a specific, predetermined result?

Personally, no, I don't have any indication that the case was rigged. I don't think Wilson's story makes any sense but the physical evidence suggests there was a struggle. I think that there are only three people that know what really happened that day, one is a cop with a whole lot to lose, one is dead, and one the friend of the dead guy, so I don't think anyone else will ever know what really happened.

But I understand the feeling of the protesters. They have dealt with a local justice system that has shown itself to be racist and they have significant doubts that they can get justice in any case, not just this one specifically.

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Our judicial system doesn't work if you've already decided guilt/innocence. 

And our law enforcement system can't work if they decide potential for guilt/innocence based on skin color.  Which is the underlying reason these protests exist.

The only solution to a problem like that is to have 1 cop of each race in every patrol car or only have a black cop handle crimes against black criminals and white cops handle crimes against white criminals. It'll never happen. The demonstrators/rioters are asking for something that can't be given.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Let's say Wilson was indicted on murder/manslaughter.   Goes to trial.    Line of witnesses are paraded thru the courtroom.   Testimony is, of course, thrown out by any of them that initially stated Wilson shot Brown in the back while he was lying on the ground.   Jury finds Wilson not guilty of all charges.    Do we get protests/riots?

Good question. I would guess yes, but maybe with more media coverage and enough time to pass where everyone can understand that Wilson really is most likely innocent, there wouldn't be.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 10:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Our judicial system doesn't work if you've already decided guilt/innocence. 

And our law enforcement system can't work if they decide potential for guilt/innocence based on skin color.  Which is the underlying reason these protests exist.

Not really applicable in this case is it?    Brown stole cigars.   Brown attacked a cop.   He's guilty of at least two crimes on the day of his death. 

In this specific case, no. But the underlying reason these protests exist isn't Brown's death, specifically.  If the community felt they were treated fairly by their PD, it's a sad day that he was killed, but there aren't protests like this.

Posted by bheid408 on 11/26/2014 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Our judicial system doesn't work if you've already decided guilt/innocence. 

And our law enforcement system can't work if they decide potential for guilt/innocence based on skin color.  Which is the underlying reason these protests exist.

The only solution to a problem like that is to have 1 cop of each race in every patrol car or only have a black cop handle crimes against black criminals and white cops handle crimes against white criminals. It'll never happen. The demonstrators/rioters are asking for something that can't be given.

As I said earlier, cameras on cops, so we can see what happens in these cop altercations.

Posted by tecwrg on 11/26/2014 9:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 9:42:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Then wouldn't you expect them to suggest Wilson is guilty of blatant racism in the past?

They seem to think there's evidence of that.  If there's evidence of the PD as a whole being racist, maybe there's evidence of Wilson specifically as well.

So you want to convict him of guilt by association?

"He's a white cop in Ferguson.  He must be a racist.  All them white cops in Ferguson are."

How progressive of you.

LOL. Missed this. Yea, that's what I said. The words "if" and "maybe" aren't used in your language.

Posted by moy23 on 11/26/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Our judicial system doesn't work if you've already decided guilt/innocence. 

And our law enforcement system can't work if they decide potential for guilt/innocence based on skin color.  Which is the underlying reason these protests exist.

The only solution to a problem like that is to have 1 cop of each race in every patrol car or only have a black cop handle crimes against black criminals and white cops handle crimes against white criminals. It'll never happen. The demonstrators/rioters are asking for something that can't be given.

As I said earlier, cameras on cops, so we can see what happens in these cop altercations.

We are all fine with cameras on cops. No one is against that. Cameras on cop cars and on vests has tremendously increased convictions in court over 90% in many studies while reducing the chance of violent confrontations from those aware they are being filmed. That's a good thing, and expensive, but probably worth the cost.

One doesn't need to riot for that... They need to legislate.

For the seventy-second time...there is no need for riots, I agree.  The rioters are acting like animals.

You understand there are different groups of people there who are rioting, and another group that protests during the day, right? The reporters there are suggesting that the majority of the people rioting show up at night.

If black convictions in Ferguson (and I don't see reasons why whites also couldn't as well) increase, I doubt that "the same crowd" would have much of a problem since there's specific evidence showing the crime committed, and showing how the police officer was acting.