The one and done does suck. My thoughts on it. First, if a Duke wins then Coach K cements his legacy as greatest coach ever. He will have won so many different ways and will have adaptive to win with one and ones and even by using zone lol.

The rule should be like baseball at the least. If you go to college, you have to stay min 2 or 3 yrs. My thoughts is that they need to be 21 to go pro. I believe the players bodies are not ready for 82 games plus playoffs. They are still kids and bodies are still developing. Look at David Robinson and how he grew 7 inches I think in college. A lot of these players who have gone pro at 18 or 19 are dealing with injuries constantly once they hit 30. Maybe cause their body could take the early abuse while still growing? I've talked to a couple doctors lately and they thought my thoughts were intriguing, but didn't have an answer to the question. Guys will always get injured, but look at guys like Kobe, D12, even Lebron been banged up. Jermaine Oneal peaked for a couple yrs and then injured. I could be wrong, but I think it could be better for these guys to let body develop in college. They have insurance policies and if they stay heslthy, they can be pros till late 30s like Malone, Stockton, Duncan and jordan

Posted by zorzii on 4/5/2015 7:49:00 AM (view original):
When I look at the Young players, I hope Justice, Jones, Booker, Lyles will play one more season at least. They aren't ready for the NBA challenge. Heck, I think Towns would benefit if he could strengthen up before going to the NBA.

I am against that rule, I hope they let kids go from High School to the NBA but if they don't it should be like football.

Agree, but unfortunately Winslow can't turned down top 10 money. Jones he can't risk a down yr without his buddy Okafor. Then the same with Towns. Booker is intriguing. That guy can get his shot and is using square to the basketball. guys go pro and are talented but 99% bodies aren't ready. Most will need 3 yrs to get a pro body.

Yeah Whitey. I can understand why Justice would go pro, he is having a stellar NCAA championship tournament. If Duke wins, and he is the best player, his stock will rise some more and he may pass up Ohio State D'Angelo Russell and Emmanuel Mudiay in some teams radars. He has a pro-body talent, his shot is subpar, his athleticism is above average. If he develops that shot, he is going to be a star or an all-star. That is why I think another NCAA year would help him out. As for Jones, I think he does not need Okafor. I am starting to see glimpse of stardom. He can go both sides, his decisions get better and better, say he plays one more year, average 6-7 assists a game, scores over 15 a game, I think his stock will rise and he will be in a better position. This year, he will go middle first round to end of it.

Booker would make a huge mistake going pro, so would Lyles. Even Cauley-Stein would benefit one more year. He looked really lost against Wisconsin. I don't think he will develop in the NBA. They'll make him a defensive specialist. He should come back and work on his post-up moves and outside shots. With Towns, they ran no play for him and I think it was a lost year for him. That is why those super-classes do not always help out the players. They like to win, but they do not develop the skills and the Fundamentals needed to make the leap.

As for the Harrison, Aaron is not even sure to get drafted. They both have terrible FG% during the season, Aaron can't pass, or is struggling with his pass. It all goes down to the speed... Are they fast enough? They should come back too. If Andrew declares, the family should talk to Aaron about coming back so he can showcase his skills and hope to get drafted. Last time Kentucky won, they had a superstar... and a defensive gem. And they had a solid PF, Jones. This year, I think they have Towns, but he is no Davis.

Wisco

Zorzii, I basically agree with everything you said. I think Jones should stay another yr, but I just don't get that feeling. Maybe I should since coach K hasn't recruited a pg yet.

Stein is overrated. He has no offense besides put backs. But then against maybe he could become a Ben Wallace or Tyson chandler? I think the superstar class hurt UK. You need to let the players play more than 3 min at a time so they can develop a rhythm.

Great post by you tho.

Posted by whitey34 on 4/5/2015 8:04:00 AM (view original):
The one and done does suck. My thoughts on it. First, if a Duke wins then Coach K cements his legacy as greatest coach ever. He will have won so many different ways and will have adaptive to win with one and ones and even by using zone lol.

The rule should be like baseball at the least. If you go to college, you have to stay min 2 or 3 yrs. My thoughts is that they need to be 21 to go pro. I believe the players bodies are not ready for 82 games plus playoffs. They are still kids and bodies are still developing. Look at David Robinson and how he grew 7 inches I think in college. A lot of these players who have gone pro at 18 or 19 are dealing with injuries constantly once they hit 30. Maybe cause their body could take the early abuse while still growing? I've talked to a couple doctors lately and they thought my thoughts were intriguing, but didn't have an answer to the question. Guys will always get injured, but look at guys like Kobe, D12, even Lebron been banged up. Jermaine Oneal peaked for a couple yrs and then injured. I could be wrong, but I think it could be better for these guys to let body develop in college. They have insurance policies and if they stay heslthy, they can be pros till late 30s like Malone, Stockton, Duncan and jordan

just for the record, it would only "cement" coach K as the greatest coach ever, in the eyes of the blinded duke fans. if you adjust to apply the same ineligible rules the rest of the coaches deal with, hes not even top 5. besides, any coach who puts so much emphasis on teaching his kids to flop, should never be able to contend for the #1 spot. its unamerican. 

in terms of advancing the game of basketball, has coach K done anything, ever? what is his contribution to the growth of the game itself? this is a genuine question, i may simply be unaware. for example, wooden made great advancements to the use of the high post, rupp was an innovator of the fastbreak offense, etc... 

Coach K is probably in the top 5, but Wooden is undoubtedly #1.  There's no way winning this title would "cement" K as #1.  

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/5/2015 11:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by whitey34 on 4/5/2015 8:04:00 AM (view original):
The one and done does suck. My thoughts on it. First, if a Duke wins then Coach K cements his legacy as greatest coach ever. He will have won so many different ways and will have adaptive to win with one and ones and even by using zone lol.

The rule should be like baseball at the least. If you go to college, you have to stay min 2 or 3 yrs. My thoughts is that they need to be 21 to go pro. I believe the players bodies are not ready for 82 games plus playoffs. They are still kids and bodies are still developing. Look at David Robinson and how he grew 7 inches I think in college. A lot of these players who have gone pro at 18 or 19 are dealing with injuries constantly once they hit 30. Maybe cause their body could take the early abuse while still growing? I've talked to a couple doctors lately and they thought my thoughts were intriguing, but didn't have an answer to the question. Guys will always get injured, but look at guys like Kobe, D12, even Lebron been banged up. Jermaine Oneal peaked for a couple yrs and then injured. I could be wrong, but I think it could be better for these guys to let body develop in college. They have insurance policies and if they stay heslthy, they can be pros till late 30s like Malone, Stockton, Duncan and jordan

just for the record, it would only "cement" coach K as the greatest coach ever, in the eyes of the blinded duke fans. if you adjust to apply the same ineligible rules the rest of the coaches deal with, hes not even top 5. besides, any coach who puts so much emphasis on teaching his kids to flop, should never be able to contend for the #1 spot. its unamerican. 

in terms of advancing the game of basketball, has coach K done anything, ever? what is his contribution to the growth of the game itself? this is a genuine question, i may simply be unaware. for example, wooden made great advancements to the use of the high post, rupp was an innovator of the fastbreak offense, etc... 

Same ineligible rules? What you talking about? You seem real uneducated as a hater. there are a lot of recruits that aware off limits due to academics. Look at a previous post of mine and see the analysts and coaches that have come from his program. He has transformed team USA. He has won titles in 3 decades. You could say he transformed college arenas. Everyone has copied Duke with their stupid section near the court. At MSU it's the Izzone.

If you would have come on here and said Wooden was best, then okay I get it and see the argument. The comment of maybe not even top 5? He's 2 at the least. One thing you miss the most is that he adapts to his players. He ran motions for a while and now he's gone to more pro sets. He adapts with the times. It's quite unreal how you say blind Duke fans when the #s point to him atleat at #2, but you aren't blind? I can't stand stupid people.

I come on here and point out #s. I don't come on here braggin or boasting. What do I get? I get haters who want to be stupid and post non sense stuff like this or French bs or call him fat face. It's shameful that you can diss someone who has done so much.

And don't use the term unamerican relating to coach k. Horrible choice of words when he has served our country in many ways and been faithful to his wife and family!

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/5/2015 11:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by whitey34 on 4/5/2015 8:04:00 AM (view original):
The one and done does suck. My thoughts on it. First, if a Duke wins then Coach K cements his legacy as greatest coach ever. He will have won so many different ways and will have adaptive to win with one and ones and even by using zone lol.

The rule should be like baseball at the least. If you go to college, you have to stay min 2 or 3 yrs. My thoughts is that they need to be 21 to go pro. I believe the players bodies are not ready for 82 games plus playoffs. They are still kids and bodies are still developing. Look at David Robinson and how he grew 7 inches I think in college. A lot of these players who have gone pro at 18 or 19 are dealing with injuries constantly once they hit 30. Maybe cause their body could take the early abuse while still growing? I've talked to a couple doctors lately and they thought my thoughts were intriguing, but didn't have an answer to the question. Guys will always get injured, but look at guys like Kobe, D12, even Lebron been banged up. Jermaine Oneal peaked for a couple yrs and then injured. I could be wrong, but I think it could be better for these guys to let body develop in college. They have insurance policies and if they stay heslthy, they can be pros till late 30s like Malone, Stockton, Duncan and jordan

just for the record, it would only "cement" coach K as the greatest coach ever, in the eyes of the blinded duke fans. if you adjust to apply the same ineligible rules the rest of the coaches deal with, hes not even top 5. besides, any coach who puts so much emphasis on teaching his kids to flop, should never be able to contend for the #1 spot. its unamerican. 

in terms of advancing the game of basketball, has coach K done anything, ever? what is his contribution to the growth of the game itself? this is a genuine question, i may simply be unaware. for example, wooden made great advancements to the use of the high post, rupp was an innovator of the fastbreak offense, etc... 

Every credible analyst who has answered this question has put him at no worse than number two, with a very arguable case that he would be number one.  To say he's not even in the top five just shows your gigantic anti-Duke bias.  If you're referring to ineligible rules being that freshman weren't allowed to play, then you must also factor in no shot clock, a far shorter tournament with much less of a spotlight, no three point line, more scholarships per team so teams could "stash" players, less television exposure, etc.  Pure anti-Duke bias and Coach K hate to even begin to pretend that he's "not even top 5".  Hell man, he'd have the second most titles and the most wins, what more do you want?

And you're going to say that teaching flopping is un-American?  When the most famous coach in the history of your favorite school used to ask newspaper reporters to put asterisks by certain names, so he'd know who was white and who was colored and therefore would know who not to waste time on recruiting?  You mean un-American like that?  You really sound silly and should just stop.

Posted by tkimble on 4/6/2015 12:07:00 AM (view original):
Coach K is probably in the top 5, but Wooden is undoubtedly #1.  There's no way winning this title would "cement" K as #1.  

Agreed w/ the undoubtedly #1 stuff surrounding the greatest, Mr. John Wooden...

But (then again), actually knowing & working w/ him during my high school years
could subject myself to being very partial about this good man...

My high school coach played for Mr. Wooden, long ago, @ UCLA in 1949... As well,
he had a son, my team mate who also went on to graduate & play for Mr. Wooden,
as the point guard during the Bill Walton championship years, in the mid-1970's...

His name was Greg Lee... His father was named Marvin "Lonnie" Lee... This brings
me to my point, with regard to any comparisons to that of coach 'K'... Learning the
game starts very early in life, long before high school & college... Many are lucky if
their own fathers are the early mentors... Whether as a child, or as a teen, or even as
a young adult, no matter when anyone was lucky enough to meet Mr. Wooden, it was
as though he was truly a father... It was the single-most outstanding aspect, as far as
his demeanor, patience, & words... Coach 'K' has no such reputation...

Back in those high school days, that's all we did running the UCLA high-post offense,
while being ranked as a top-10 school in the Los Angeles City school system... Many
others went on to play @ UCLA as the dynasty began to diminish, -including another
great kid named Chris Lippert, who led the entire Los Angeles area in scoring, during
my own stint for a couple of years...

Coach 'K' still has a long way to go, before any notable type of offense or defense will
ever become associated directly to his coaching skills, or experience... Duke University
is (& will always be) all about the academics... Your own father would always be about
life, even if you fail in academics, to the degree that life itself is so much more...

Thanx 4 allowing me to travel these memories from 40+ years yonder... They were very
great indeed, & influential, even more so... Take care...

Posted by tkimble on 4/6/2015 12:07:00 AM (view original):
Coach K is probably in the top 5, but Wooden is undoubtedly #1.  There's no way winning this title would "cement" K as #1.  

Wooden? Ever heard of Sam Gilbert? Those UCLA titles were bought and had a payroll. Wooden might have been a saint, but why did he believe all that talent was willing to sit on the bench happily?

Posted by rogelio on 4/6/2015 2:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/6/2015 12:07:00 AM (view original):
Coach K is probably in the top 5, but Wooden is undoubtedly #1.  There's no way winning this title would "cement" K as #1.  

Wooden? Ever heard of Sam Gilbert? Those UCLA titles were bought and had a payroll. Wooden might have been a saint, but why did he believe all that talent was willing to sit on the bench happily?

I didn't want to be the first to bring this up, but yes a lot of those titles were bought and paid for.  John Wooden was undoubtedly a great man, but he certainly turned a blind eye towards at least one aspect of his program.  As was mentioned during one of the semi-final games, imagine John Wooden giving his How to Put on Your Socks and Tie Your Shoes lessons today with this one and done mindset being so prevalent.  Those kids would have laughed that man out of the building.  He was great in his time, but that era is long gone, sadly never to return.  Now it's all about me, me, me and who can get me the most exposure and the best chance to go pro and then those kids (for most part) wash out or fade into obscurity riding the bench or playing overseas.  It's sad really.

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Posted by zorzii on 4/5/2015 7:49:00 AM (view original):
When I look at the Young players, I hope Justice, Jones, Booker, Lyles will play one more season at least. They aren't ready for the NBA challenge. Heck, I think Towns would benefit if he could strengthen up before going to the NBA.

I am against that rule, I hope they let kids go from High School to the NBA but if they don't it should be like football.

Agree, but unfortunately Winslow can't turned down top 10 money. Jones he can't risk a down yr without his buddy Okafor. Then the same with Towns. Booker is intriguing. That guy can get his shot and is using square to the basketball. guys go pro and are talented but 99% bodies aren't ready. Most will need 3 yrs to get a pro body.

I have to agree about both Winslow and Tyus Jones.  The only thing that may cast a shadow of a doubt in Jones' mind is if he's not projected as a lock to go in the first round (and some sources I've read have him potentially going early in the second).  Given that only first round money is guaranteed in the NBA, he "might" think about coming back for another season to try to improve his draft stock.  Winslow, unfortunately, is gone.  Love that kid's game and intensity. 

I would have loved to see what Towns could have done as THE focal point of an offense.  From what he showed in the tourney, he could have averaged about as many points as he wanted.  I love the fact that he punishes you for putting him on the foul line, unlike Okafor.  Okafor leaves way too many free points at the line.  Don't get me wrong, as a Duke fan, I LOVE having Okafor on our team, but his free throw shooting IS a glaring weakness.