Level 3 does get you potential

Posted by chapelhillne on 6/1/2016 12:53:00 AM (view original):
Actually, I think Level 3 is going to be good enough in most cases if you know what the values of the letter grades are. Some have already figured out that this is a close approximation:

	Ath	Spd	Reb	De	SB	LP	Per	BH	Pass	WE	Sta	Dur
A+	76-100	80-100	72-100	66-100	79-100	72-100	75-100	62-100	65-100	82-100	87-100	100
A	70	67-68	70		67-69		70	59-61	61		81-82
A-	64-66	62-66	61-63	58-59		65	62-63	56	59-60	70-73	78	69-70
B+	59-61	58-61		54-55	59	60	58-61	51-52	53-56	67-68		65-67
B	54-57	54-55	52	51-52		55-56	57	47-50	49-52	60-64	74-75	58-62
B-	49-50	51-53	48	46-49	48	49-52	55		47-48	55-59		59
C+	45-47	46	46					41	42-44	50-51	69	52-53
C	42			39	42	41-43		38	38-40	45-49	67-68	49-51
C-	39	39-40	33-37		34	36-40	40	33	34-36	41-43	64-66	44-47
D+	32	34	29-32	32		34			33		62-63	40-42
D	30	28-30	26	27-28	26-27	30	30-31	25-26	28	30	61	32-39
D-	26	24-25	20-23	24	21-22	24	24-26	21	24-25	27	57	33-35
F+	22		15-17	18-20	15	19	19	19			55-56	28-30
F	15-18	18	11-14	14-17	10-14		17	14
F-	0-12	0-12	0-6	0	0-8	0-14	0-13	0-12	0-13	0	0	0

5/31/2016 1:23 PM

Thanks, chapelhillne. Your constructive approach puts the ranting of others to shame (although they may not realize it).

Posted by viva_il_re on 6/1/2016 4:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 6/1/2016 4:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chapelhillne on 6/1/2016 12:53:00 AM (view original):
Actually, I think Level 3 is going to be good enough in most cases if you know what the values of the letter grades are. Some have already figured out that this is a close approximation:

	Ath	Spd	Reb	De	SB	LP	Per	BH	Pass	WE	Sta	Dur
A+	76-100	80-100	72-100	66-100	79-100	72-100	75-100	62-100	65-100	82-100	87-100	100
A	70	67-68	70		67-69		70	59-61	61		81-82
A-	64-66	62-66	61-63	58-59		65	62-63	56	59-60	70-73	78	69-70
B+	59-61	58-61		54-55	59	60	58-61	51-52	53-56	67-68		65-67
B	54-57	54-55	52	51-52		55-56	57	47-50	49-52	60-64	74-75	58-62
B-	49-50	51-53	48	46-49	48	49-52	55		47-48	55-59		59
C+	45-47	46	46					41	42-44	50-51	69	52-53
C	42			39	42	41-43		38	38-40	45-49	67-68	49-51
C-	39	39-40	33-37		34	36-40	40	33	34-36	41-43	64-66	44-47
D+	32	34	29-32	32		34			33		62-63	40-42
D	30	28-30	26	27-28	26-27	30	30-31	25-26	28	30	61	32-39
D-	26	24-25	20-23	24	21-22	24	24-26	21	24-25	27	57	33-35
F+	22		15-17	18-20	15	19	19	19			55-56	28-30
F	15-18	18	11-14	14-17	10-14		17	14
F-	0-12	0-12	0-6	0	0-8	0-14	0-13	0-12	0-13	0	0	0

5/31/2016 1:23 PM

Thanks, chapelhillne. Your constructive approach puts the ranting of others to shame (although they may not realize it).

and your levels of dick sucking put the kardashians to shame

What is your freaking problem dude? Can you please grow up.

I'm in the beta world, but have not had time to do much of anything over the holiday weekend and now.

Clear to me that this is a big change in recruiting.

And clear to me that it doesnt fix what I regard as (a) the easy fixes that could improve the game or (b) the most serious flaws in the game.

I hope to find some time to play with the beta, but I have seen enough to know that I'm using up my remaining seasons and walking away from this activity. Just not worth the effort given the core failures noted above. Its been fun, but I'm not buying more seasons to play the new game.

Viva_il_re / theonlyis - I am not sure what happened to you. I always had a lot of respect for you, and I always enjoyed the effort you put into doing research, like some of the lists that you created. Those were awesome! I really mean that. I can tell that, at least at one point, you really loved the game, like I do.

I wish you would just stop the rants though. It makes it really unpleasant for all the rest of us who want to learn the new system and have to weed through the barrage of negative posts and personal insults. There is really no need for that. It just degrades the game experience for all of us who are just looking for something fun to do with their spare time. For me, HD is a way to escape the stress of running a business and to relax. I don't watch a lot of TV, and I don't have much spare time, but this is what I do with the little time I have.

I like reading the forums because that is the way to learn more about the game that I really enjoy. But when I read posts like yours, it stresses me out. I don't like a bunch of conflict and name calling, especially when it seems like it just comes out of nowhere, and is unprovoked. And, I have to weed through them to find posts that give me information. And, on a personal level, I just don't like profanity. That's just me. I don't judge people who use it. To each his own. But it just makes my experience unpleasant, personally.

You were banned from the Beta testing after the first day because of all of the profanity and all of the personal insults. And the negative comments started pretty much the minute the forums were put up. I would venture to say that 25% of the comments on the Beta Forums were made by you, and they were pretty over the top because of the way they just degraded the whole process and the developers, and then anyone who had anything positive to say about it. Any time someone would post something positive, you were on there almost immediately talking about how wrong they were, and hurling insults at them.

And, now on the general forum, under a different ID it just continues. Many who are reading this forum are not taking part in the Beta testing and are trying to figure out if they will like it or not. I think you are doing a lot of damage to HD because those who read your posts are not getting a fair impression of what is taking place, in my opinion. Sure, there are some who do not like the change, and they definitely have every right to state their opinion. I respect their opinions and take them into account when forming my opinions. And their feelings may be based on personal tastes, which is totally understandable. They liked the old system and do not want change. But the testing has only been going on for two days, and a lot of people like it so far. I feel like a LOT of thought has gone into it.

For those of you who are not in the beta testing, let me tell you that those of us who are in it are making a ton of very useful suggestions to make the new product the best it can possibly be. Not everything is perfect, but I sense a big willingness and desire on the part of Seble and the developers to really improve the scouting and recruiting process. My big desire is to try to see the game become as realistic as possible, and I think that this update is pushing the game in that direction in a big way. I like it a lot so far. Like I said, we are only 2 days into it, and so far we are only scouting. I am waiting to see what happens when the Northeast camp takes place. We have not even started the recruiting yet. So, I think it is way too early for anyone to say, definitively, whether or not the new release is perfect or that it sucks.

Like I said, I like it a lot so far. On a scale of one to 10, I would give it an 8 or 9 from what I have seen. And, as I mentioned, I do get the sense that Seble is listening to those of us in the test, that make reasonable comments. And there are many long term coaches in it.

I hope if you are not involved in the beta testing that you will not let negative comments cause a preconceived notion about the release.

In my view realism should not be the primary goal - good game play should be top priority. And the major game play issues are not addressed at all. I fear that game play will be worse.....but that remains to be seen.

Posted by fd343ny on 6/2/2016 12:24:00 AM (view original):
In my view realism should not be the primary goal - good game play should be top priority. And the major game play issues are not addressed at all. I fear that game play will be worse.....but that remains to be seen.

Agree with your comment about realism vs good gameplay. Which is why I'm not a big fan that it's making it really hard to recruit nationally at D3. Personally, I don't care if that is realistic or not. Does it make the game better?

I hear a lot about realism in regards to scouting/recruiting but even the sim isn't realistic. Got guys fouling out in 5 min, teams taking 50 FTs a game, teams (like mine) that can make deep tourney runs without taking a 3 pointer. If we want actual realism for the game, fix that first.

I am not happy with the Beta but willing to see if my fears are founded or simply a reaction to something new. One thing I found amazing is that a DETAILED GUIDE was not produced as a #1 Priority prior to testing (sure this will change and need to be updated regularly with testing but when done will be complete and necessary ANYWAYS before marketing the product.)

This Beta seems to be, and for Only God knows the reason with the history of WIS and correcting the existing faults of the game, a rush job and I am not as confident that it repairs any of the faults but simply hides the "old product" in a new "box" with a few added bells and whistles.

Just want to drop a big thank you to those posting detailed experiences (rednu!). For those of us just reading about it, it's a fun way to get insight on what things look like. Please keep it up, I'm enjoying learning this way.

... And it's at this very moment I realize I missed the invitation to join the beta in my HD mail....

Chapelhill "For those of you who are not in the beta testing, let me tell you that those of us who are in it are making a ton of very useful suggestions to make the new product the best it can possibly be."

Yes and that is wonderful. I will point out however that a lot of people made a ton of suggestion on the current format and were Ignored for years. The question of throwing the baby out with the bath water may not fix any of those problems. Time will obviously tell and hopefully the new system will be better, but if not there will be even less customers for this site than before.

Posted by taniajane on 6/2/2016 8:55:00 AM (view original):
Chapelhill "For those of you who are not in the beta testing, let me tell you that those of us who are in it are making a ton of very useful suggestions to make the new product the best it can possibly be."

Yes and that is wonderful. I will point out however that a lot of people made a ton of suggestion on the current format and were Ignored for years. The question of throwing the baby out with the bath water may not fix any of those problems. Time will obviously tell and hopefully the new system will be better, but if not there will be even less customers for this site than before.

And that is fine. If you like it, play.. If you don't then quit so that those of us who want to play can

You are right. I'm in the process of quitting. At peak, I had a team in every world. Been at six teams for a long while. Now at 5 and shortly going to 4. When the new game is launched, I will probably keep one or two teams to give it a try with my remaining seasons, but i'm very disappointed in what WIS/Fox have decided to do with this product.