I'm playing the beta solely for the purpose of seeing if I want to continue playing once it's released and I'm currently leaning towards leaving, but we'll see if the beta turns me around. I could be more into giving criticism and suggestions and all that, but the simple truth is I just don't care enough. This isn't my job it's a game. If it's fun I play and if it's not I won't. That's my two cents. Trying not to be too overly negative or positive. But anyone who wants to be too overly negative or positive is well within their rights to do so. I fully understand people being exciting for a change and I fully understand people being upset that they are changing what is currently (at least for sure outside of DI, which I don't see this new system solving) the best aspect of the game after ignoring the consistent suggestions and tweets being requested for so long.

Posted by chapelhillne on 6/1/2016 12:53:00 AM (view original):
Actually, I think Level 3 is going to be good enough in most cases if you know what the values of the letter grades are. Some have already figured out that this is a close approximation:

	Ath	Spd	Reb	De	SB	LP	Per	BH	Pass	WE	Sta	Dur
A+	76-100	80-100	72-100	66-100	79-100	72-100	75-100	62-100	65-100	82-100	87-100	100
A	70	67-68	70		67-69		70	59-61	61		81-82
A-	64-66	62-66	61-63	58-59		65	62-63	56	59-60	70-73	78	69-70
B+	59-61	58-61		54-55	59	60	58-61	51-52	53-56	67-68		65-67
B	54-57	54-55	52	51-52		55-56	57	47-50	49-52	60-64	74-75	58-62
B-	49-50	51-53	48	46-49	48	49-52	55		47-48	55-59		59
C+	45-47	46	46					41	42-44	50-51	69	52-53
C	42			39	42	41-43		38	38-40	45-49	67-68	49-51
C-	39	39-40	33-37		34	36-40	40	33	34-36	41-43	64-66	44-47
D+	32	34	29-32	32		34			33		62-63	40-42
D	30	28-30	26	27-28	26-27	30	30-31	25-26	28	30	61	32-39
D-	26	24-25	20-23	24	21-22	24	24-26	21	24-25	27	57	33-35
F+	22		15-17	18-20	15	19	19	19			55-56	28-30
F	15-18	18	11-14	14-17	10-14		17	14
F-	0-12	0-12	0-6	0	0-8	0-14	0-13	0-12	0-13	0	0	0

5/31/2016 1:23 PM

I had put this chart together. Here is the updated for those without access to the beta. It is probably important information unless he changes the scale. Remember that I gave my ever important beta scouting for all to reap the benefits. Does that selfless act make me the HD Jesus? Probably.
Seriously though I think the ath and spd charts will be the same. Same with rebounding and sb and with lp and per.

	Ath	Spd	Reb	De	SB	LP	Per	BH	Pass	WE	Sta	Dur
A+	71-100	71-100	72-100	66-100	72-100	72-100	75-100	62-100	65-100	82-100	83-100	76-100
A	70	67-69	70	64	67-69	67	70	59-61	61-64	77-79	81-82	73
A-	62-66	62-66	61-63	58-60	63-64	63-65	62-66	55-56	59-60	70-73	78	69-70
B+	58-61	58-61	57-60	54-55	59	58-60	58-61	51-52	53-56	66-68	76	64-67
B	54-57	54-56	52-54	51-52	53-56	55-56	57	47-50	49-52	60-64	74-75	59-62
B-	49-52	50-53	48-50	46-49	48	49-52	52-55	44-46	46-48	55-59	71-72	58
C+	45-47	46	46	42-43	43-44	45-48	45-47	41	42-44	50-54	69-70	52-55
C	42	42-44	38-41	38-41	42	41-43	44	37-39	38-40	45-49	67-68	48-51
C-	36-39	38-40	33-37	34-35	34-36	36-40	38-40	32-35	34-36	41-43	64-66	44-47
D+	32-35	32-34	29-32	32	32	34	35	30	30-33	38	62-63	40-42
D	29-31	28-30	26-28	27-29	26-28	30	29-31	25-26	28	30-33	60-61	32-39
D-	24-26	24-26	19-23	23-24	21-22	24-27	23-27	21-24	22-25	25-27	57	32-35
F+	21-22	21-22	15-18	18-20	15-17	19	19-22	19	20	21-23	55-56	28-30
F	15-18	15-18	10-14	14-17	10-14	15-18	15-18	14-17	14-17	15-19	53	26-27
F-	0-14	0-13	0-6	0-13	0-9	0-14	0-14	0-13	0-13	0-13	0-52	0-16

Praise be therewas47 for he was a generous god today

When you think its a good idea to risk using level 3 info on A+ guys

adding a few numbers I have to therewas47's list

	Ath	Spd	Reb	Def	SB	LP	Per	BH	Pass	WE	Sta	Dur
A+	71-100	71-100	72-100	66-100	72-100	72-100	75-100	62-100	65-100	82-100	83-100	76-100
A	70	67-70	70	64	67-69	67	67-70	58-61	61-64	77-79	81-82	73
A-	62-66	62-66	61-63	58-60	63-64	63-65	62-66	55-57	59-60	70-73	78	69-70
B+	58-61	57-61	57-60	54-55	59	58-60	58-61	51-52	53-56	66-68	76	64-67
B	54-57	52-55	51-52	51-52	53-56	55-56	57	47-50	49-52	60-64	74-75	59-62
B-	49-52	48-53	46-49	46-49	48	49-52	52-55	44-46	46-48	55-59	71-72	58
C+	45-47	46	42-46	42-43	42-44	45-48	45-47	41	42-44	50-54	69-70	52-55
C	42	38-44	38-41	38-41	42	41-43	44	37-39	38-40	45-49	67-68	48-51
C-	36-39	33-37	33-37	34-35	34-36	36-40	38-40	32-35	34-36	41-43	64-66	44-47
D+	32-35	29-32	29-32	32	32	34	32-35	30	30-33	38	62-63	40-42
D	29-31	26-28	26-28	27-29	26-28	30	29-31	25-26	28	30-33	60-61	32-39
D-	24-26	19-23	19-23	23-24	21-22	24-27	23-27	21-24	22-25	25-27	57	32-35
F+	21-22	15-18	15-18	18-20	15-17	19	19-22	19	20	21-24	55-56	28-30
F	15-18	10-14	10-14	14-17	10-14	15-18	15-18	14-17	14-17	15-19	53	26-27
F-	0-14	0-12	0-6	0-13	0-9	0-14	0-14	0-13	0-13	0-13	0-52	0-19

Awesome thanks oldwarrior!

Has there been any kind of solid date being mentioned for the release of this unnecessary update?

Really should have spent the time and money involved on advertising. The game needs a huge influx of new coaches more than a shiny band-aid to temporarily divert everyone's attentions away from the real problems that the game has.

Posted by emy1013 on 6/3/2016 9:42:00 PM (view original):
Has there been any kind of solid date being mentioned for the release of this unnecessary update?

Really should have spent the time and money involved on advertising. The game needs a huge influx of new coaches more than a shiny band-aid to temporarily divert everyone's attentions away from the real problems that the game has.

No solid date, but if I had to guess it would be before the end of summer, if the really only do 2-3 seasons of the beta it looks like ~1 month of beta and then the worlds start to shut down as they all get updated so a month from now. Right now I'm not sure which world will be the last to start, probably Rupp so I'd estimate Rupp has 1 more season after this and once it shuts down they update and then stat the worlds back up so 1-2 full seasons depending on the world I guess?

I don't think anything will shut down per say... they will just roll it over when the new world starts. Perhaps that's what you mean though... I was pretty sure he said it won't happen all at once,.

Posted by carl3298 on 6/4/2016 11:11:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything will shut down per say... they will just roll it over when the new world starts. Perhaps that's what you mean though... I was pretty sure he said it won't happen all at once,.

Nope. Refer to the most recent dev chat, where seble told us they have to have all the worlds in shutdown at the same time to roll out the changes, and re-openings will be staggered. No specifics have been released, but it'll cause a 1-2 month delay for every world.

Posted by kcsundevil on 6/4/2016 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by carl3298 on 6/4/2016 11:11:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything will shut down per say... they will just roll it over when the new world starts. Perhaps that's what you mean though... I was pretty sure he said it won't happen all at once,.

Nope. Refer to the most recent dev chat, where seble told us they have to have all the worlds in shutdown at the same time to roll out the changes, and re-openings will be staggered. No specifics have been released, but it'll cause a 1-2 month delay for every world.

He did say that yes. But I'm not sure why they'd have to do it that way when they didn't do it for any of the other updates. When potential was rolled out, it simply went world by world when each one rolled over. They didn't stop every world, wait, and then begin again like they are with this update. I'm honestly curious, why the difference? Has any reason been given, maybe one that I missed?

Posted by dcy0827 on 6/4/2016 6:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 6/4/2016 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by carl3298 on 6/4/2016 11:11:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything will shut down per say... they will just roll it over when the new world starts. Perhaps that's what you mean though... I was pretty sure he said it won't happen all at once,.

Nope. Refer to the most recent dev chat, where seble told us they have to have all the worlds in shutdown at the same time to roll out the changes, and re-openings will be staggered. No specifics have been released, but it'll cause a 1-2 month delay for every world.

He did say that yes. But I'm not sure why they'd have to do it that way when they didn't do it for any of the other updates. When potential was rolled out, it simply went world by world when each one rolled over. They didn't stop every world, wait, and then begin again like they are with this update. I'm honestly curious, why the difference? Has any reason been given, maybe one that I missed?

I dont know for sure if one was given, but I'd guess it's the complete graphics and navigation overhaul that has to be active in all 10 worlds at once. So each world will shutter once the update is ready until they are all closed, then the update will go in, and worlds will stagger start in order they finished or whatever...

get outta here with common sense

Posted by dcy0827 on 6/4/2016 6:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 6/4/2016 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by carl3298 on 6/4/2016 11:11:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything will shut down per say... they will just roll it over when the new world starts. Perhaps that's what you mean though... I was pretty sure he said it won't happen all at once,.

Nope. Refer to the most recent dev chat, where seble told us they have to have all the worlds in shutdown at the same time to roll out the changes, and re-openings will be staggered. No specifics have been released, but it'll cause a 1-2 month delay for every world.

He did say that yes. But I'm not sure why they'd have to do it that way when they didn't do it for any of the other updates. When potential was rolled out, it simply went world by world when each one rolled over. They didn't stop every world, wait, and then begin again like they are with this update. I'm honestly curious, why the difference? Has any reason been given, maybe one that I missed?

The changes to recruiting will impact the game all season long, and in particular will modify the in-season timetable of game events.

WIS could probably configure a bolt-on software patch to manage deployment of potential, but that's not feasible this time due to scale of changes.

seble simply said he didn't see another way this rollout can be done besides a full shutdown. Based on my past experience in software development + what I'm seeing in beta, I agree with him.

I thought you weren't supposed to leave your safespace?

Posted by dacj501 on 6/4/2016 7:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dcy0827 on 6/4/2016 6:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 6/4/2016 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by carl3298 on 6/4/2016 11:11:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything will shut down per say... they will just roll it over when the new world starts. Perhaps that's what you mean though... I was pretty sure he said it won't happen all at once,.

Nope. Refer to the most recent dev chat, where seble told us they have to have all the worlds in shutdown at the same time to roll out the changes, and re-openings will be staggered. No specifics have been released, but it'll cause a 1-2 month delay for every world.

He did say that yes. But I'm not sure why they'd have to do it that way when they didn't do it for any of the other updates. When potential was rolled out, it simply went world by world when each one rolled over. They didn't stop every world, wait, and then begin again like they are with this update. I'm honestly curious, why the difference? Has any reason been given, maybe one that I missed?

I dont know for sure if one was given, but I'd guess it's the complete graphics and navigation overhaul that has to be active in all 10 worlds at once. So each world will shutter once the update is ready until they are all closed, then the update will go in, and worlds will stagger start in order they finished or whatever...

Or, you could have 2 servers (or load balancers that feed 2 sets of servers, if the load is that high) and move people from one to the other (when their current season is finished) until all teams are moved over .. then put them in their permanent place. This could be done any number of ways .. using redirects (so transparent to the users) or different domain names (similar to the beta server now).

They have done this in at least HBD and GD and it did not take a 2 month shut down.