Round 2 Draft Strategy Thread Topic

Alright, think I got this about right. Here are my team averages for the PA/IP I'll use (I used 1400 instead of 1450 innings, since I have a couple teams short of 1450!)...
PA $/PA AVG# OBP# SLG# OPS#
ANA 5617 $ 9,213 0.307 0.384 0.486 0.870
HOU 5452 $ 9,077 0.302 0.383 0.511 0.894
KCR 5708 $ 7,886 0.305 0.352 0.443 0.795
MIL 5548 $ 7,677 0.281 0.355 0.457 0.812
NYM 5606 $ 7,734 0.291 0.354 0.457 0.812
SDP 5584 $ 8,111 0.286 0.362 0.461 0.823
TEX 5645 $ 8,753 0.307 0.377 0.495 0.872
WSN 5372 $ 8,437 0.299 0.370 0.490 0.860
IP $/IP OAV# WHIP# HR9# ERC#
ANA 1400 $ 31,987 0.212 1.10 0.53 2.45
HOU 1400 $ 38,578 0.199 0.97 0.52 1.96
KCR 1400 $ 36,432 0.202 1.04 0.40 2.18
MIL 1400 $ 32,425 0.205 1.09 0.61 2.45
NYM 1400 $ 34,890 0.219 1.07 0.39 2.38
SDP 1400 $ 39,099 0.196 0.99 0.49 2.00
TEX 1400 $ 30,517 0.211 1.08 0.61 2.47
WSN 1400 $ 35,482 0.205 1.03 0.46 2.14
4/11/2024 8:48 PM
Posted by schwarze on 4/11/2024 8:03:00 PM (view original):
Wow, who knew?
Well, I looked him up once when I used him in a theme, and then by chance I happened to be in a tribal government class where a Lumbee member was speaking. So I had a chance to ask him about Locklear and got more insight into how his fame impacted his tribe. Quite an unlikely life he's led, to be sure.
4/11/2024 8:53 PM
That is interesting. Somehow, now I feel even worse I didn’t take the 75 Padres. I would have helped my pitching staff, blocked schwarze, and gotten Locklear.
I was 98% sure I was going to grab them once 76 and 09 went but then started overthinking it and switched at last second.
4/11/2024 11:27 PM
I recalculated using 1400 innings. Your teams are way better than mine. Most of my teams are strong defensively, so maybe that will lessen the gap...
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TEAM___ AVG#___ OBP#___ SLG#___ OPS#___
ANA 0.291 0.374 0.464 0.838
HOU 0.296 0.379 0.472 0.850
KCR 0.291 0.358 0.455 0.812
MIL 0.296 0.365 0.473 0.838
NYM 0.287 0.362 0.464 0.825
SDP 0.297 0.370 0.443 0.814
TEX 0.296 0.361 0.471 0.832
WSN 0.291 0.376 0.466 0.843
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TEAM OAV# WHIP# HR9# ERC#
ANA 0.215 1.18 0.56 2.74
HOU 0.214 1.06 0.34 2.18
KCR 0.228 1.16 0.47 2.68
MIL 0.240 1.14 0.48 2.71
NYM 0.224 1.11 0.47 2.44
SDP 0.227 1.15 0.59 2.77
TEX 0.222 1.15 0.55 2.73
WSN 0.221 1.06 0.67 2.47
4/12/2024 11:00 AM
yeah capturing the defense is tricky. I also think your teams tend to perform better relative to their # numbers, probably because you're much better than me about finding value in the normalization, switch hitters, pitcher usage, etc. stuff that plays better in the sim.

i also picked ahead of you in 6 of the 8 drafts it looks like (MIL and KCR being the exceptions). you probably have the better teams for those two and the NYM, who I ended up not liking my team.
4/12/2024 1:29 PM
I'm guessing that footballmm11's numbers are straight averages rather than weighted averages? I don't see how 1400+ IP of a weighted average 2.45 ERC# is possible for those three Brewers years.

While I'm not going to have time to do any writeups, here are my team weighted average normalized slash lines based on 1400 IP and projected lineup usage:

Brewers: .296/.368/.488, 2.53 ERC#. Defense: bad IF, average OF and C.
Mets: .289/.364/.489, 2.26 ERC#. Defense: mediocre overall
Royals: .298/.363/.485, 2.67 ERC#. Defense: good C, average IF, bad OF.
4/12/2024 4:08 PM
Using his exact roster of Brewers pitchers, I come up with the following weighted averages his best 1400 of his innings...

2.58 erc#
.213 oav#
1.10 whip#
0.64 hr9#


4/12/2024 6:05 PM
Posted by barracuda3 on 4/12/2024 4:08:00 PM (view original):
I'm guessing that footballmm11's numbers are straight averages rather than weighted averages? I don't see how 1400+ IP of a weighted average 2.45 ERC# is possible for those three Brewers years.

While I'm not going to have time to do any writeups, here are my team weighted average normalized slash lines based on 1400 IP and projected lineup usage:

Brewers: .296/.368/.488, 2.53 ERC#. Defense: bad IF, average OF and C.
Mets: .289/.364/.489, 2.26 ERC#. Defense: mediocre overall
Royals: .298/.363/.485, 2.67 ERC#. Defense: good C, average IF, bad OF.
very possible i did it wrong, let me check!
4/12/2024 6:27 PM
Posted by footballmm11 on 4/11/2024 8:48:00 PM (view original):
Alright, think I got this about right. Here are my team averages for the PA/IP I'll use (I used 1400 instead of 1450 innings, since I have a couple teams short of 1450!)...
PA $/PA AVG# OBP# SLG# OPS#
ANA 5617 $ 9,213 0.307 0.384 0.486 0.870
HOU 5452 $ 9,077 0.302 0.383 0.511 0.894
KCR 5708 $ 7,886 0.305 0.352 0.443 0.795
MIL 5548 $ 7,677 0.281 0.355 0.457 0.812
NYM 5606 $ 7,734 0.291 0.354 0.457 0.812
SDP 5584 $ 8,111 0.286 0.362 0.461 0.823
TEX 5645 $ 8,753 0.307 0.377 0.495 0.872
WSN 5372 $ 8,437 0.299 0.370 0.490 0.860
IP $/IP OAV# WHIP# HR9# ERC#
ANA 1400 $ 31,987 0.212 1.10 0.53 2.45
HOU 1400 $ 38,578 0.199 0.97 0.52 1.96
KCR 1400 $ 36,432 0.202 1.04 0.40 2.18
MIL 1400 $ 32,425 0.205 1.09 0.61 2.45
NYM 1400 $ 34,890 0.219 1.07 0.39 2.38
SDP 1400 $ 39,099 0.196 0.99 0.49 2.00
TEX 1400 $ 30,517 0.211 1.08 0.61 2.47
WSN 1400 $ 35,482 0.205 1.03 0.46 2.14
barracuda3 was correct! I was weighting by Usage (0-100%) only when I needed to weight by Usage * IP/PA. Here it is corrected:
PA $/PA AVG# OBP# SLG# OPS#
ANA 5617 $ 9,117 0.298 0.382 0.472 0.854
HOU 5452 $ 9,095 0.296 0.385 0.505 0.890
KCR 5708 $ 8,188 0.302 0.351 0.454 0.805
MIL 5548 $ 7,972 0.283 0.354 0.468 0.822
NYM 5606 $ 8,005 0.293 0.355 0.468 0.824
SDP 5584 $ 8,256 0.286 0.360 0.461 0.821
TEX 5645 $ 9,192 0.309 0.380 0.512 0.893
WSN 5372 $ 8,717 0.298 0.368 0.500 0.868
IP $/IP OAV# WHIP# HR9# ERC#
ANA 1400 $ 30,567 0.224 1.13 0.53 2.65
HOU 1400 $ 38,615 0.201 0.97 0.56 2.01
KCR 1400 $ 31,683 0.219 1.09 0.49 2.49
MIL 1400 $ 31,228 0.213 1.10 0.64 2.58
NYM 1400 $ 33,310 0.226 1.09 0.43 2.50
SDP 1400 $ 33,712 0.214 1.05 0.57 2.31
TEX 1400 $ 29,524 0.224 1.12 0.55 2.62
WSN 1400 $ 33,853 0.210 1.07 0.48 2.32
4/12/2024 6:31 PM
"League 4, Round 1, Pick 8 (#14 in League 4): 2018 Brewers
I royally screwed this draft up... As I mentioned above, I should have taken 2020 or 2021 with one of my Top 8 picks."


I just noticed that footballmm11's Brewers team is in the same division as both pedrocerrano (2021 Brewers) and barracuda3 (2020 Brewers). I have to admit, that made me chuckle a little bit.
4/12/2024 7:52 PM (edited)
Figures!
4/12/2024 8:20 PM
How do you all easily calculate the normalized/weighted stats of your teams?
4/12/2024 8:35 PM
I multiply each stat category by each pitcher's innings. Then add up those totals and divide that by total innings (i.e., 1400). It doesn't make sense to include all your pitchers if you drafted 1575 innings. I reduce the worst's pitchers innings total such that my overall total gets to 1400. IN some cases, my worst pitcher drops out of the equation altogether.

For hitters, I do something similar, but instead of using their exact PAs, I use estimated playing time percentages (making sure each position adds up to 100%). So if I have a batter with 750 PA, he gets 100% weight. If I have another batter with 700 PA, he also gets 100% weight. I generally use 700 PA as the cutoff for playing 162 games. The exception is catchers.... I usually use 650 PA, so if my best catcher has 450 PA and my worst catcher has 300 PA, Catcher1 gets 69% (=450/650) and Catcher2 gets 31% (=200/650). After I multiply all the %'s by stat category, I can add up those totals and divide by 8.

Occasionally, I will add in like 10% for a stud pinch hitter (who won't ever start), but then divide the total by 8.1.
4/13/2024 10:59 AM (edited)
I think you missed the word “easily” in his question.
4/13/2024 11:12 AM
Posted by schwarze on 4/10/2024 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Team: Brewers 1978, 1981, 1989
Ballpark: County Stadium

I had the #2 and #4 overall picks in the Top 8 Draft. Going into round 2, I wanted either 2019 Astros or 1981 Astros. But when footballmm11 took 2019 Astros with the first overall pick, I knew I could wait until pick #4 to take the 1981 Astros since footballmm11 also had pick #3. So that's when I started researching every other franchise. I was mostly looking for franchises with poor pitching that had a team with at least two really good SPs. I narrowed down my two choices to 2011 Angels and 1978 Brewers. Using a 200-inning minimum, the '11 Angels have the two of the top four SPs in Angels history. The '78 Brewers have two of the top eight SPs in Brewers history. The Brewers also have a plethora of useful hitters, so that's the direction I went.

Pick 1.01 - 1978 Brewers
Besides starting pitchers Mike Caldwell (294 ip, 3.41 erc#) and Lary Sorenson (281, 2.91), this team has one RP worth rostering in Bill Castro (50, 2.78). I ended up rostering the team's entire outfield with Larry Hisle (.290 avg#, .375 obp#, .532 slg#), Ben Oglivie (.303, .372, .496, B/A-) and Gorman Thomas (.246, .352, .513). Sixto Lezcano (.292, .379, .458) didn't make the cut. I could have added 3-4 infielders, although Yount and Cooper were eventually replaced with better versions of themselves. Sal Bando (.285, .373, .438, A-/A) will be my starting 3B while super-sub Don Money (.293, .362, .439) will play a little 1B, 2B and 3B.

Pick 2.12 - 1981 Brewers
I really wanted 2016 to add RP depth, but pedrocerrano sniped that season one pick in front of me. Getting sniped one pick away will be a recurring trend for my teams. So, instead of adding RP depth let's add one of the best RP in Brewers history, '81 Rollie Fingers (116, 1.54). He's going to have to pitch in 100 games for me, cause he's the only guy I got that can get outs late in the game. RP Jamie Easterly (93, 2.66) won't give up any HRs but his 5.0 bb/9# could be problematic. A last minute add was SP Pete Vuckovich (223, 3.56). You know this season was good enough to go 14-4 in 1981. He's my SP4, so I'd be happy to get a .500 season from him. I did get two starting batters from this season including a much needed lefty bat in Cecil Cooper (.320, .367, .500, C+/A-). '81 Robin Yount (.273, .316, 424, A/A+) replaces '78 Robin Yount (.293, .325, .427, C/A+) mainly due to his '78 season having only 535 PA. Charlie Moore (.301, .355, .415) will start at catcher vs LHP. Jim Gantner (B/A-) is a defensive replacement 2B. Ed Romero is nothing more than a scrub who can play the infield. Until round 4, light-hitting Ted Simmons was going to make the roster.

Pick 3.01 - 1989 Brewers
Picking back to back is a huge advantage, since I can make sure my two picks mesh well. I couldn't make the 1981 pick, if I was picking in the middle of the draft as it really only added 3-4 pieces. But 1981+1989 fit well together. I got my SP3 with Chris Bosio (235, 2.98) and also added some RP depth, with Dan Plesac (62, 2.40), Mark Kudson (124, 3.10) and Tony Fossas (61, 3.13). I later added Teddy Higuera (136, 3.39) in case I ever need to spot-start a LHP. I also added 2B/3B Paul Molitor (.315, .380, .438, B-/A-), who is similar statistically to 3B Sal Bando. Molitor will probably start at 2B, but I can mix and match Money/Molitor/Bando at 2B/3B depending on which hitters get hot. I also get to clone Robin Yount (.318, .384, .511) and play him in the outfield, moving Gorman Thomas to a backup role. Charlie O'Brien is simply a third string catcher.

Pick 4.12 - 1973 Darrell Porter
I wanted RP Doug Jones, but taxman2008 grabbed him at 4.07. Although any pitcher upgrade would be beneficial, there just weren't any pitchers with enough innings to move the needle. Meanwhile, my main catcher was '81 Ted Simmons (.216, .266., 381). I didn't want two automatic outs in the 8-9 holes, so I decided to upgrade the position. I chose '73 Darrell Porter (.254, .364, .458, A+ arm) over BJ Surhoff (.320, .370, .468, D arm) due to the arm. I've got to keep baserunners on first so my team's solid infield defense can turn some DPs.

Pitching Stats
Best 1450 innings: 2.73 erc#, .240 oav#, 1.14 whip#, 0.48 hr/9#)

Hitting Stats
Including platoons, excluding scrubs: .296 avg#, .365 obp#, .473 slg#, .838 ops#

Outlook:
Without building every other person's roster, it's really hard to know how good my Brewers stack up. I don't have any of the 2020's seasons with all the good short-inning RPs, so my bullpen will probably get destroyed (what else is new?). I do have 3 of the top 20 SPs in Brewers history (150+ ips). My offense looks to be below average when compared to other teams. But my defense should be above average. Feels like 75-80 win team..
Mid-Season Update

Record: 37-47, .440 (11th out of 12, in AL)
Exp Win%: .548 (4th)
1-Run Games: 10-18 (1-9 in extras)
Offense Rank: 11th
Pitching Rank: 1st
Defense Rank (Range): 2nd
Defense Rank (Fielding): 2nd

Comments: What a huge disappointment this team has been, although it's mostly due to bad luck. There is so much parity in these leagues that the 1-run record has a disproportional importance in overall success. Some of my best teams (based on Exp. Win%) are below .500 while some of my worst teams are way above .500. Despite stud RP '81 Rollie Fingers having a good season for me (4-3, 8/9 in saves, 0.87 whip, 2.16 ERA), this team has the worst 1-run (and extra-inning) record in the league. My team is 16/18 in saves. So the idea that having great pitching, a solid defense and a good bullpen means having a good record in 1-run games is bullsh*t. It's all luck. Ace SP '78 Mike Caldwell started off terribly (2-8, 3.91) but has been good as of late (9-9, 3.02 current). Lary Sorensen is 10-3, 3.76 and threw a 105-pitch no-hitter (only blemish was a 9th inning walk). The pitching is ranked #1 and isn't the issue.

The offense has been awful. I should have rostered Sixto Lezcano over Gorman Thomas (.168/.227/.355) who has been permanently benched. Don Money (.302/.361/.424) has supplanted Sal Bando (.259/.332/.397) as my everyday 3B. But the biggest disappointment is my free agent, Darrell Porter (.218/.299/.457). I should have went with weak-hitting '81 Ted Simmons and instead used my free agent on a *good* hitter. It appears that I do have two automatic outs at the bottom of the lineup.

Final thoughts
Maybe I should have taken 2021 Brewers (pedrocerrano's team is 53-31), but if I take them with the first pick, I probably still don't get 2016 since I am drafting last in round 2. My team's pitching is actually better than pedrocerrano's dominant team. But his team has scored 100 runs more than my team. Clearly, there should be some positive regression coming in 1-run games, but even 80 games may not be enough of a sample size to made up the ground needed to qualify for round 3.
5/11/2024 10:33 PM (edited)
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