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  10/18/2007 at 10:10 am Search for other posts by zbrent716
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Quote: Originally Posted By stevehoggett on 10/17/2007
i dont like this aspect of the game...I played 2B (im a lefty) forever and still do, mind you now its only in softball but Ive never been hindered by this. I just did a lot of underhanded tosses to 1B if I was close enough and if it was a diving play to the right I just got used to coming up off the ground to my right.
 
I would assume any major leaguer has the brain and focus to be able to come up to the right BLIND and know he has to throw to first. You just have to know each scenario in your mind before the ball comes off the bat and know what you are going to do ahead of time.
 
In fact the only position I think its a disadvantage to be a Lefty is 3B ( when diving left and having to throw to 2nd- and possibly catcher (3rd base steals)

Quote: Originally Posted By stevehoggett on 10/17/2007
There are lefty handed Middle infielders out there...its probably just under 10% of the major leaguers which is inline with the % of leftys in the general population, and it would be slightly lower because of lazy coaches at the youth levels who think it is a disadvantage so they move them to another position.

Quote: Originally Posted By stevehoggett on 10/17/2007
youre giving me too much credit Zbrent...I fully meant THROWING left..okay maybe its less than 10%...but I guarantee there is someone who played in the last 20 years. I know there is I just dont have the time to look it up now...I stand by what I said, i do not believe its a disadvantage to be a lefty playing 2B. The only play that can develop to give a lefty a problem is when the lefty is covering 2nd and has multiple options to throw the ball. But like I said earlier as long as the fielder knows what he is doing before the play and doesnt LOOK to see what he should do, he will be fine.

Discuss.

  10/18/2007 at 10:11 am Search for other posts by ceez
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why?
  10/18/2007 at 10:12 am Search for other posts by zbrent716
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How about because I'd be interested to hear from other lefty MI to see if they think it is a disadvantage?
  10/18/2007 at 10:13 am Search for other posts by ceez
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hahahaha!!


these are nothing but bedroom nerds on this site!


  10/18/2007 at 11:05 am Search for other posts by kermit
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You talking bout me?
  10/18/2007 at 7:45 pm Search for other posts by uncleal
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 10/18/2007
How about because I'd be interested to hear from other lefty MI to see if they think it is a disadvantage?

Even though it has been years since I've played 2B (Little League), I will state with confidence that it is actually a slight advantage to be LH (at 2B). Why?

1. Double plays. Throw comes in, slightly less transfer time for LH. Not much of a difference in a vacuum, but baseball is a games of inches and seconds.

2. Grounders up the middle. With your glove on your right hand, you don't have to travel quite as far to reach it from the second baseman's position.

3. Bunts. The 2B must act as a 1B and the advantages of a LH 1B are well documented.

(Shortstop, OTOH, still is better when RH)

  10/18/2007 at 8:02 pm Search for other posts by erffdogg
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that's almost as dumb a post as steves.

1. the transfer time on a thrrow from shortstop woould take forever as you'd have to turn completely around to throw the ball to first.

2. grounders up the middle are the worst play for a LH 2b for the same reason. can't throw to first without turning all the way around.

3. maybe a little bit seeing as you wouldn't have to shift around to get into position on the bag but in no way enough to over come any of the other problems.


How is it that some people just don't understand this?
  10/18/2007 at 8:07 pm Search for other posts by kbosch
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Yeah, how many times does a second baseman go to first on a bunt? Bunts are rare these days, and most of the time, the first baseman makes the PO.


I can't imagine playing second left handed...ugh.
  10/18/2007 at 8:07 pm Search for other posts by bentschnride
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That post was so bad it got put in the retard post collection twice in the same minute
  10/18/2007 at 8:34 pm Search for other posts by erffdogg
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awesome.
  10/18/2007 at 10:09 pm Search for other posts by uncleal
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Quote: Originally Posted By erffdogg on 10/18/2007
that's almost as dumb a post as steves.

1. the transfer time on a thrrow from shortstop woould take forever as you'd have to turn completely around to throw the ball to first.

2. grounders up the middle are the worst play for a LH 2b for the same reason. can't throw to first without turning all the way around.

3. maybe a little bit seeing as you wouldn't have to shift around to get into position on the bag but in no way enough to over come any of the other problems.


How is it that some people just don't understand this?

I can tell you certainly have never tried playing 2B left-handed... because "turning around" is a myth. All you have to do on double plays is drop the ball into your glove (moving forward, while RH the ball moves backwards).

Your ground ball up the middle assessment is almost the opposite of truth. Even if I can't make the play to 1st, a runner on 2nd will not score. An RH guy may let that same ball get through the IF. Run. Furthermore, an RH guy has to turn around (or reposition, which takes almost, if not completely, as much time) moving toward the bag if he does not want to throw off-balance. Again, all an LH has to do is scoop and throw.

(While turning around may be slightly more accurate, I agree it does slow you down too much. So just scoop.)

(Come to think of it, have you even played 2B for any length of time at all?)

kbosch: Every time that his head is in the game. That is exactly his job on bunts. Even if 1B stays back to cover, 2B cannot assume that and should be on first by the time someone recovers the ball. If he did not, no excuses: Mental miscue.

  10/19/2007 at 6:36 am Search for other posts by jonas1102
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You can't explain to a lefty why he can't play the infield.  They've all "done it" before, and will try to explain to you how it is actually an advantage.  It's like a little man complex.  You can tell them until your blue in the face about how poor footwork for them to get into throwing postion takes more time and leads to more errors, they don't care.  It's easier to teach a monkey to read.  Once you tell someone they can't do something, that is all they want to do.
  10/19/2007 at 9:22 am Search for other posts by uncleal
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Quote: Originally Posted By jonas1102 on 10/19/2007
You can't explain to a lefty why he can't play the infield.  They've all "done it" before, and will try to explain to you how it is actually an advantage.  It's like a little man complex.  You can tell them until your blue in the face about how poor footwork for them to get into throwing postion takes more time and leads to more errors, they don't care.  It's easier to teach a monkey to read.  Once you tell someone they can't do something, that is all they want to do.

I love this post. It's because of what's been bolded.

Isn't poor footwork, you know, something you actually... work on as you play baseball? Being LH does not automatically mean you have poor footwork... nor does being RH mean your footwork is good.

As for the rest of the post, nice way to demean lefties without actually refuting any of my points.

Worst post of the week, if not the month.

  10/19/2007 at 9:45 am Search for other posts by _cooter_
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Quote: Originally posted by uncleal on 10/18/2007
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Quote: Originally Posted By erffdogg on 10/18/2007
that's almost as dumb a post as steves.

1. the transfer time on a thrrow from shortstop woould take forever as you'd have to turn completely around to throw the ball to first.

2. grounders up the middle are the worst play for a LH 2b for the same reason. can't throw to first without turning all the way around.

3. maybe a little bit seeing as you wouldn't have to shift around to get into position on the bag but in no way enough to over come any of the other problems.


How is it that some people just don't understand this?

I can tell you certainly have never tried playing 2B left-handed... because "turning around" is a myth. All you have to do on double plays is drop the ball into your glove (moving forward, while RH the ball moves backwards).

Your ground ball up the middle assessment is almost the opposite of truth. Even if I can't make the play to 1st, a runner on 2nd will not score. An RH guy may let that same ball get through the IF. Run. Furthermore, an RH guy has to turn around (or reposition, which takes almost, if not completely, as much time) moving toward the bag if he does not want to throw off-balance. Again, all an LH has to do is scoop and throw.

(While turning around may be slightly more accurate, I agree it does slow you down too much. So just scoop.)

(Come to think of it, have you even played 2B for any length of time at all?)

kbosch: Every time that his head is in the game. That is exactly his job on bunts. Even if 1B stays back to cover, 2B cannot assume that and should be on first by the time someone recovers the ball. If he did not, no excuses: Mental miscue.




how the hell do you throw the ball to first onthe double play then? throw it over over your shoulder like a salt shaker?

so if if it's a ground ball up the middle and no runner is on second then you're screwed and the guy ends up with a hit? i sure hope you are not a coach because as a coach i'd pity the poor kids on your team.
  10/19/2007 at 9:46 am Search for other posts by hurricane384
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What are you talking about scoop and throw? As a left-hander your body is positioned to throw the ball to 3rd base, not first. Can you please explain what you mean scoop and throw? There's a reason lefties don't play middle infield in the first place.
  10/19/2007 at 10:08 am Search for other posts by reino4
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"At higher levels of play, it is rare to see a left-handed second baseman because of the inherent difficulties of turning a double play started by the shortstop. However, in youth leagues, and even at the high school level, where fractions of a second making a double play are much less important, there is no reason for a left-handed player not to play second base. In fact, a left-handed second baseman has a greater fielding range "up the middle" than a right handed player."
  10/19/2007 at 6:15 pm Search for other posts by uncleal
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Quote: Originally Posted By hurricane384 on 10/19/2007
What are you talking about scoop and throw? As a left-hander your body is positioned to throw the ball to 3rd base, not first. Can you please explain what you mean scoop and throw? There's a reason lefties don't play middle infield in the first place.

When you take the throw, moving the ball from your glove to your hand will be moving toward 1st base as LH. As RH, this motion will be away from 1st base.
  10/19/2007 at 6:18 pm Search for other posts by toddcommish
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Quote: Originally Posted By uncleal on 10/19/2007
Quote: Originally Posted By hurricane384 on 10/19/2007
What are you talking about scoop and throw? As a left-hander your body is positioned to throw the ball to 3rd base, not first. Can you please explain what you mean scoop and throw? There's a reason lefties don't play middle infield in the first place.

When you take the throw, moving the ball from your glove to your hand will be moving toward 1st base as LH. As RH, this motion will be away from 1st base.
Quoting this for posterity since nobody will ever believe that someone actually thinks this makes sense....
  10/19/2007 at 6:19 pm Search for other posts by bentschnride
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Quote: Originally Posted By uncleal on 10/19/2007
Quote: Originally Posted By hurricane384 on 10/19/2007
What are you talking about scoop and throw? As a left-hander your body is positioned to throw the ball to 3rd base, not first. Can you please explain what you mean scoop and throw? There's a reason lefties don't play middle infield in the first place.

When you take the throw, moving the ball from your glove to your hand will be moving toward 1st base as LH. As RH, this motion will be away from 1st base.
What?
  10/19/2007 at 6:35 pm Search for other posts by zbrent716
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Quote: Originally posted by uncleal on 10/19/2007
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Quote: Originally Posted By hurricane384 on 10/19/2007
<DIV class=text>What are you talking about scoop and throw? As a left-hander your body is positioned to throw the ball to 3rd base, not first. Can you please explain what you mean scoop and throw? There's a reason lefties don't play middle infield in the first place.
When you take the throw, moving the ball from your glove to your hand will be moving toward 1st base as LH. As RH, this motion will be away from 1st base.


This is a completely true statement.

When a lefty takes the throw from SS and transfers the ball from his glove to his hand, he's looking towards 3B so he is transferring the ball towards 1B.

Unfortunately for the idiot LH 2B, unless he's going to throw the baseball like a Frisbee or ninja star, he's going to have to do a 180, face RF/CF, bring the ball away from 1B and throw it like a baseball player in order to complete the double-play.

But that was a completely true statement.
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