Posted by steelers821 on 5/6/2024 8:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by steelers821 on 3/8/2024 3:43:00 PM (view original):

12. tarheel1991 - Nikola Jokic, Moses Malone, Jason Kidd, Sidney Moncrief, Otto Porter, Daniel Gafford, Carlos Boozer, Dan Roundfield, James Johnson, T.J. McConnell, Jamal Murray

I think we’ve all been watching what jokic has been doing the last 3 years. It certainly translates very well to the sim as well. Immediate assist flexibility, Great drebounding, amazing efg and even some 3s. So the issues and why he’s picked 12th is the other 2 seasons although good aren’t quite at that level, his defense is horrendous and you usually don’t want your center with that high of a tov. Moses the king of orebounding is a nice add to your first pick. He can play PF which is important next to Jokic and his defense should be 70-80 all seasons. The bad news with Moses is thats even more turnovers. How the hell is he going to grab an offensive board when you’ve already lost the ball. I’ll be honest I wasn’t super familiar with Moses game before now but his high tov and 3 seasons of lower efg kinda worry me. So Kidd is another player thats always confused me in savage. What seasons are supposed to be used. I assume 08/09 and 09/10 with there solid D, efg low usage and 3s but otherwise idk 12-13? I kinda like his 07 season. Idk I'm rambling but the point is its all kind of a mess and in the end its going to be even more turnovers. So far you have 3 rebounding super stars and 3 turnover kings. Is this a net positive or negative in the possession battle? I absolutely love Moncrief from the time I used him. Good backcourt pairing with kidd as well. He's got the 4 100D seasons plus the 54 efg 70 d season. I guess otto porter is the SG backup or I guess he could be a low rebounding sf? Or I suppose maybe more moncrief at PG that way all 3 can play. Definitely confused about those 3 together but I can see how it fits possibly. It is good that you finally stop adding to the turnover problem. 3s to go with all your paint monsters is good as well. I had him last season and was maybe a bit disappointed but he didn’t turn it over and he finished with 57ts% so I guess thats what you need. I do like gafford a lot as your SF. Its always nice just having a player with 65+ efg especially when you can get that rebounding at SF as well. Other than the assists Boozer is solid look alike backup for Jokic although without the assists. With those numbers it does feel like a steal to get him this late. I don’t understand Roundfield. I guess guys with more than 20 usage and less than 50 efg rarely clear my filters. But i suppose if you play him at SF his rebounding is good, and defense is very good. Love James Johnson he’s good a lot of fun options that could potentially fit just about any need at SF or SG. I don’t really get the Mcconnell pick. Imo stocking up on assists just isn’t worth the turnover problem you are just adding to. One of the best parts of jokic is you don’t need guys like kidd or mcconnell at pg. Now Murray is someone you do want at PG with Jokic both irl and on here lol. Much lower tov, 3s, and probably 2 seasons that should be helpful.

Overall I liked a lot of these picks but there are so many turnovers that I’m just not sure you can make the top 10. Rebounding should be fantastic, defense is up and down, efg should be mostly solid although Roundfield and kidd hurts things there. I think you’ll finish 10-14.

Looks like I underestimated tarheel as well. You should easily get top 10.

To be fair I basically hovered in the 10-14 range all season until moving up in the playoffs. I think it was a pretty dead-on eval.

It hurts so damn bad. With 15ish games to go, I had all five teams in and division lead in 3 worlds. Still got all five in but no division crowns. Still, was 2nd at one point in the 1st round, but only 2 teams made it out. None made it to the conference finals. Seventh currently and best I can finish is eighth because I'll for sure be passed by either sukow or tarheel just from world four. Will fall out of the top 10 dh wins world 1, berk wins world 2, heel wins world 3, and sukow wins world 4. So, I'm rooting for the other guy I guess. To finish eighth. It hurts.

Posted by ashamael on 5/8/2024 5:08:00 PM (view original):
It hurts so damn bad. With 15ish games to go, I had all five teams in and division lead in 3 worlds. Still got all five in but no division crowns. Still, was 2nd at one point in the 1st round, but only 2 teams made it out. None made it to the conference finals. Seventh currently and best I can finish is eighth because I'll for sure be passed by either sukow or tarheel just from world four. Will fall out of the top 10 dh wins world 1, berk wins world 2, heel wins world 3, and sukow wins world 4. So, I'm rooting for the other guy I guess. To finish eighth. It hurts.

tfw when someone with like half the playoff teams and 30+ less regular season points passes me in the final standings:

10. Vince Carter

Really? Vince is just gonna be sitting there as the perfect MJ backup in the 10th? Even has the super low tov% to match. That's it, I'm calling it. You are the favorite to win it all in Savage XIV.


we just haaaad to let him get vince in the 10th...

congrats rob...i kinda love the no title win...5 team bonus > single savage title

Posted by dh555 on 5/8/2024 9:41:00 PM (view original):
10. Vince Carter

Really? Vince is just gonna be sitting there as the perfect MJ backup in the 10th? Even has the super low tov% to match. That's it, I'm calling it. You are the favorite to win it all in Savage XIV.


we just haaaad to let him get vince in the 10th...

congrats rob...i kinda love the no title win...5 team bonus > single savage title

Two times someone has won without the five team bonus and now two times someone has won without a title. Usually it takes both but some seasons have a ton of parity and weird things happen. If anything it was a testament to just how many good teams there were this season. The five team strategy dominated the regular season but the 2-3 team strategy squads dominated the playoffs which created a weird equilibrium.

oh i just meant what i personally value more

both strategies definitely work

Posted by dh555 on 5/8/2024 9:41:00 PM (view original):
10. Vince Carter

Really? Vince is just gonna be sitting there as the perfect MJ backup in the 10th? Even has the super low tov% to match. That's it, I'm calling it. You are the favorite to win it all in Savage XIV.


we just haaaad to let him get vince in the 10th...

congrats rob...i kinda love the no title win...5 team bonus > single savage title

Vince continued my weird tradition of 10-12th round picks playing like the 4th or 5th most minutes on my team. Bamba was a totally wasted pick I ended not using really at all. Kevin Johnson I ended up hating. Hot Rod I did not like in the regular season but played a lot in the playoffs (although I didn't have a great playoffs so maybe that says something). Mutombo and MJ weirdly fouled out constantly in both the regular season and playoffs.

Regular Season

Row Labels	Round#	Count	Sum of Min	Avg Min/PG	Sum of Start %	Avg FG%	Avg eFG	Avg TS%	AvgPts/36	Avg 3P%	Avg3PA/36	Avg FT%	AvgFTA/36	AvgReb/36	AvgAst/36	AvgStl/36	AvgBlk/36	AvgTO/36	AvgPF/36	AvgFGA/36
Michael Jordan	1	5	16204	39.5	100%	50.7%	51.6%	56.3%	27.8	28.5%	1.4	84.9%	5.9	5.6	6.8	2.9	1.1	3.4	2.6	22.1
Dikembe Mutombo	3	5	15113	36.9	100%	54.6%	54.6%	57.4%	12.4	12.5%	0.1	66.8%	3.2	11.3	1.7	0.6	4.0	2.3	3.2	9.4
Shawn Marion	2	5	15089	36.8	100%	45.9%	49.3%	52.9%	17.2	30.9%	3.3	81.0%	3.1	9.1	2.5	2.2	1.6	2.0	2.6	14.9
Chauncey Billups	4	5	8669	21.7	42%	41.6%	50.2%	55.8%	18.3	39.0%	6.4	88.7%	4.1	2.9	9.4	1.5	0.2	2.9	2.0	14.6
Vince Carter	10	5	8421	20.6	20%	43.0%	47.6%	51.3%	23.5	37.5%	5.0	79.3%	4.6	4.9	5.7	1.5	0.8	3.1	2.7	20.9
Ivica Zubac	6	4	7440	22.7	25%	61.3%	61.4%	64.0%	14.7	23.5%	0.1	76.1%	2.7	11.3	2.4	0.6	1.5	2.2	3.9	10.3
Chris Andersen	5	5	6009	14.7	60%	53.4%	53.8%	56.9%	10.8	25.0%	0.3	67.9%	2.9	10.2	0.8	1.1	3.5	1.7	4.0	8.3
Kevin Johnson	8	4	5938	19.0	63%	50.0%	53.1%	57.8%	19.1	44.5%	2.0	85.8%	4.0	3.0	11.3	1.9	0.1	3.4	2.1	14.7
Hot Rod Williams	7	5	5443	14.3	25%	48.0%	48.1%	52.0%	13.5	27.3%	0.1	72.3%	3.3	8.2	3.0	1.2	2.8	1.7	3.2	11.6
Troy Murphy	9	5	5048	13.4	0%	43.9%	52.0%	55.5%	14.1	37.9%	4.9	79.1%	2.6	10.4	3.4	1.1	0.5	1.9	2.9	11.5
Ryan Anderson	12	3	3632	15.5	0%	42.6%	53.1%	57.0%	19.3	37.7%	8.6	86.7%	3.3	8.3	1.8	1.2	0.9	1.7	2.7	15.4
Mo Bamba	11	4	1093	5.0	0%	43.7%	52.4%	53.9%	18.2	35.0%	7.8	65.4%	2.7	11.7	2.0	0.9	2.4	2.2	4.0	15.7

Playoffs

Row Labels	Round#	Count	Sum of Min	Avg Min/PG	Sum of Start %	Avg FG%	Avg eFG	Avg TS%	AvgPts/36	Avg 3P%	Avg3PA/36	Avg FT%	AvgFTA/36	AvgReb/36	AvgAst/36	AvgStl/36	AvgBlk/36	AvgTO/36	AvgPF/36	AvgFGA/36
Michael Jordan	1	5	1952	41.3	100%	48.7%	49.1%	53.9%	27.4	14.3%	1.4	83.9%	5.9	5.3	6.9	3.1	1.0	3.6	2.9	22.8
Dikembe Mutombo	3	5	1813	38.8	100%	55.1%	55.1%	57.8%	12.7	0.0%	0.0	65.5%	3.5	10.7	1.7	0.6	3.8	2.3	3.2	9.5
Shawn Marion	2	5	1760	38.7	98%	48.7%	51.9%	54.4%	17.2	34.4%	2.7	77.7%	2.5	8.7	2.4	2.3	1.5	2.1	2.6	14.7
Chauncey Billups	4	5	1214	22.8	61%	42.5%	50.9%	56.6%	19.7	38.9%	6.8	93.4%	4.1	3.3	9.6	1.5	0.1	2.8	2.0	15.6
Hot Rod Williams	7	5	949	20.3	30%	48.5%	48.7%	55.2%	13.1	50.0%	0.1	89.7%	3.3	7.2	2.3	1.1	3.0	2.0	3.0	10.4
Vince Carter	10	5	806	20.3	17%	42.8%	47.4%	50.9%	23.0	35.7%	5.1	71.4%	5.3	5.0	5.9	2.1	0.6	3.0	3.0	20.2
Chris Andersen	5	5	681	15.1	51%	47.1%	47.5%	50.9%	9.8	25.0%	0.2	64.3%	3.0	10.5	1.5	0.8	3.9	2.0	3.3	8.3
Ivica Zubac	6	4	571	15.8	33%	63.0%	63.0%	65.4%	14.1	0.0%	0.1	76.9%	2.5	10.2	2.8	0.4	2.3	1.8	4.1	9.7
Kevin Johnson	8	4	538	17.5	46%	52.5%	54.6%	58.5%	19.1	36.0%	1.7	79.0%	4.1	2.7	11.1	2.4	0.0	3.2	2.3	14.5
Troy Murphy	9	5	501	10.3	0%	44.4%	53.7%	57.2%	14.9	40.5%	5.3	76.7%	3.1	10.7	3.3	1.3	0.3	1.7	2.2	11.6
Ryan Anderson	12	3	350	15.4	0%	46.5%	61.3%	64.0%	22.3	50.0%	9.7	91.7%	2.5	7.5	1.9	0.5	0.9	1.6	3.2	16.4
Mo Bamba	11	4	128	5.0	5%	47.1%	55.9%	58.2%	18.8	37.5%	6.8	66.7%	4.2	12.1	1.7	1.1	2.5	1.1	1.7	14.3

rob you are approaching 60s celtics territory...if youre red..who is your russell?

is it birdman? haha

it might be zubac

Posted by dh555 on 5/8/2024 9:58:00 PM (view original):
rob you are approaching 60s celtics territory...if youre red..who is your russell?

is it birdman? haha

It's either him or Zubac.

Posted by dh555 on 5/8/2024 10:00:00 PM (view original):
it might be zubac

Hah beat me to it.

Need a Sukow Birdman/Zubac poster.

look at those mutombo mins...late 3rd!

Posted by robusk on 5/8/2024 10:01:00 PM (view original):
Need a Sukow Birdman/Zubac poster.

absolutely

Posted by dh555 on 5/8/2024 10:02:00 PM (view original):
look at those mutombo mins...late 3rd!

I was dubious about drafting him, and him fouling out cost me a couple playoff series, but I was pretty pleased with him overall. Definitely amazing value where I got him.