Posted by seamar_116 on 2/19/2014 7:24:00 AM (view original):
Luke Appling (40 y/o)  moved from SS to 3B, as did Vern Stephens (31), Maury Wills (34), Dick Groat (34), Maranville to 2b at 40....but yeah, I see why it was impossible for Jeter to do it...a HOF infielder just can't learn to play another infield  position.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/19/2014 9:23:00 AM (view original):
FWIW, the point has long been "What's the other option?"   

Moving Jeter this season would just be stupid.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2014 4:20:00 PM (view original):
Truth is, winning makes people ignore the warts.   He hit the ball, played SS adequately and the Yankees won.   So, yes, you'd have been hard-pressed to find a Yankee fan clamoring to move him to LF.   Remove the winning and only the fringe defends his defense. 

So, if you want to classify "dumbass Yankee fans", maybe we should talk about "dumbass Oriole fans" declaring Larry Bigbie as the next 40/40 guy or Melvin Mora as the next .400 hitter. 

That said, what's the answer?    Move Jeter to LF when A-Rod arrives.  Maybe it works, maybe it fails miserably.  Either way, A-Rod "outgrows" SS in a couple of years.   What's the solution now?

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2014 10:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 2/18/2014 9:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2014 9:13:00 PM (view original):

As an example, Reggie wasn't very good in RF.   The A's didn't say "Hey, Reggie will DH and play some first!!!  We'll find a better rightfielder!!!!   Hell, Jesus Alou is better in the OF than Reggie!!!!!"

I know you're not dumb enough to consider this relevant.  SS and RF aren't in the same stratosphere in terms of defensive significance.  Rangy shortstops who stay healthy get 700+ balls a season; right fielders rarely get half that.  And easy plays in RF are much easier than easy plays at SS.

Not the point.   You look to improve your team.  You don't **** with your stars.   It's as simple as that and you know it.

Dumping Fosse/Green, so what?
Moving Reggie/Jeter for better defense, no.

Please tell me you understand this.   It's been a civil discussion but, if you're going to dumb up, it won't be.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2014 10:53:00 AM (view original):
And, quite frankly, no one has the clout to say "Hey, Derek, how about give 2B a shot."      Cashman knew this 4 years ago.   That's why he played hardball, in the press, with Jeter on this last contract.   I don't think he would have been sad at all if Jeter said "**** you.  I'm going to play for the Mets!!!!!"   He knew that Jeter could not be moved off SS by anyone in the organization.    And, as you saw, they had no one waiting in the wings to take over.

Right now, today, Jeter is the best SS option for the Yankees.

Posted by tecwrg on 2/19/2014 12:05:00 PM (view original):
When did Mike say that "Jeter would never have budged" if asked by the Yankees to switch positions?

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/19/2014 12:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2014 10:53:00 AM (view original):
And, quite frankly, no one has the clout to say "Hey, Derek, how about give 2B a shot."      Cashman knew this 4 years ago.   That's why he played hardball, in the press, with Jeter on this last contract.   I don't think he would have been sad at all if Jeter said "**** you.  I'm going to play for the Mets!!!!!"   He knew that Jeter could not be moved off SS by anyone in the organization.    And, as you saw, they had no one waiting in the wings to take over.

Right now, today, Jeter is the best SS option for the Yankees.

Here. This implies Jeter had the run of the organization and never would have moved off SS.

Posted by tecwrg on 2/19/2014 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/19/2014 12:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2014 10:53:00 AM (view original):
And, quite frankly, no one has the clout to say "Hey, Derek, how about give 2B a shot."      Cashman knew this 4 years ago.   That's why he played hardball, in the press, with Jeter on this last contract.   I don't think he would have been sad at all if Jeter said "**** you.  I'm going to play for the Mets!!!!!"   He knew that Jeter could not be moved off SS by anyone in the organization.    And, as you saw, they had no one waiting in the wings to take over.

Right now, today, Jeter is the best SS option for the Yankees.

Here. This implies Jeter had the run of the organization and never would have moved off SS.

Reading comprehension seems to be a challenge for you, no?

"He knew that Jeter could not be moved off SS by anyone in the organization."  Most people would correctly interpret that as there were no SS prospects in the Yankees farm system that could replace him at short.

In the retard's defense, he interpreted properly. 

No one was going to force Jeter to move if he DIDN'T WANT TO without a ridiculous amount of scrutiny.   We don't know if he was ever asked.  I imagine, if someone came up to Jeter and said "We know you've said you didn't want to swap positions but that's going to happen", he'd have swapped positions.    And, when questioned by the media, Jeter would have presented his normal non-answer of "I don't make those decisions.  The team decided that this was best for the organization so I'm going to do my best at my new position."    Meaningless and harmless but not an endorsement of the move.

That said, the Yanks have not had a legit SS option in the minors since Jeter.   So the only reason he would have been asked would have been because they were signing someone to play SS.   That has never happened.