Should KC plunk Bautista because he's a jerk? Topic

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I doubt that.
6/21/2016 10:40 AM
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true fact
6/21/2016 10:41 AM
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Posted by Jtpsops on 6/21/2016 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Doesn't matter. You said you can look at stats and determine an out is an out. But you can't determine the impact of how that out was made (or ROE) just by looking at a stat line.
You're right, you don't get a scoring summary from a stat line. Any stat line. Ever. Regardless of how a guy hit. All you know is what that one player did in his 4 or 5 PAs.

So what?
6/21/2016 10:47 AM
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A guy goes 0-4. How many outs resulted from his 4 ABs?
6/21/2016 11:03 AM
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What was his WAR?
6/21/2016 11:09 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/21/2016 11:03:00 AM (view original):
A guy goes 0-4. How many outs resulted from his 4 ABs?
Usually 4.
6/21/2016 11:09 AM
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Unless he ROE.
6/21/2016 11:10 AM
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Where is ROE listed in the box score?
6/21/2016 11:28 AM
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Other than the error column, I don't think it's included anywhere unless it was a scoring play and there is a scoring summary.
6/21/2016 11:31 AM
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Posted by bagchucker on 6/21/2016 10:36:00 AM (view original):
also:

I rem when jtpsops was someone
I'm still someone. At least I think I'm the someone I was, back when I was still someone.
6/21/2016 11:35 AM
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So, if I didn't watch the game because the stats would tell me who was productive, how would I know who reached on an error and who, you know, helped his team score runs?
6/21/2016 11:47 AM
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Is strikeout rate and ROE factored into WAR or OPS+? Or do they both look like outs in either calculation?
6/21/2016 11:55 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/21/2016 11:47:00 AM (view original):
So, if I didn't watch the game because the stats would tell me who was productive, how would I know who reached on an error and who, you know, helped his team score runs?
What?

If you want to know what happened in an individual game, you should watch it.

If you want to know who was good over a span of time, you need stats.

6/21/2016 11:58 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/21/2016 11:56:00 AM (view original):
Is strikeout rate and ROE factored into WAR or OPS+? Or do they both look like outs in either calculation?
Do you think hitters should get positive credit for ROE?
6/21/2016 11:59 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/21/2016 11:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/21/2016 11:47:00 AM (view original):
So, if I didn't watch the game because the stats would tell me who was productive, how would I know who reached on an error and who, you know, helped his team score runs?
What?

If you want to know what happened in an individual game, you should watch it.

If you want to know who was good over a span of time, you need stats.

Do you not care who helped their team win?
6/21/2016 12:02 PM
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