Posted by toddcommish on 6/21/2016 12:36:00 PM (view original):
So waitaminnit... "An out is an out", unless....
- hitter reaches on an error (and possibly advances a runner)
- hitter reaches on a strikeout that the catcher doesn't catch
- hits a grounder that advances a runner
- hits a flyball that advances a runner
- hits into a double-play (worse than a plain old out)
And we have ROE data since the 70's which makes all sorts of historical significance.... aside from the first 90 years of the game.
Do we need to go back to the start just for you?
Roll back however many pages to the start of this and see where I said:
1) My argument is that when you look at X player's stats, how he made his outs doesn't matter. How often he made them is what matters.
2) You seem to be arguing that there are situations where a certain type of out would be preferable to another type. Example deep fly ball to score a runner vs pop up. I've never denied that these situations exist but they just don't matter much in the big picture. Teams that strikeout less don't score more runs. Teams that make all outs less frequently do score more runs.
Or maybe you'll believe it from MikeT23:
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/16/2016 1:35:00 PM (view original):
For ****'s sake. This has been done time and time again.
By and large, the type of out is irrelevant. For every advanced runner or sacrifice fly to score a run, there is a double play grounder.