Posted by tecwrg on 8/24/2013 11:13:00 PM (view original):Posted by burnsy483 on 8/24/2013 11:08:00 PM (view original):Rickey puts up comparable offensive stats to Mattingly, and plays a position where it's very difficult to find a guy to put up stats like that. Rickey also got 70 extra bases (80 steals, 10 CS) with his legs, and that doesn't take into consideration the first to third and first to home on a double, etc. I was also under the impression that Rickey was an above-average fielder in his 20s. I didn't see him play then, but that was my assumption. I'd argue if you took Rickey off that team, they'd lose more games than if you took Mattingly. Now, if you're going to tell me that Rickey was a selfish ***** that rubbed people the wrong way, and Mattingly was the professional and leader of that ballclub? Maybe that's true, it's not something that can be measured. I tend to think things that like are overstated in baseball, but it's an argument.Rickey was known to take some plays off and not hustle. Mattingly gave 110% every game.
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/24/2013 11:08:00 PM (view original):Rickey puts up comparable offensive stats to Mattingly, and plays a position where it's very difficult to find a guy to put up stats like that. Rickey also got 70 extra bases (80 steals, 10 CS) with his legs, and that doesn't take into consideration the first to third and first to home on a double, etc. I was also under the impression that Rickey was an above-average fielder in his 20s. I didn't see him play then, but that was my assumption. I'd argue if you took Rickey off that team, they'd lose more games than if you took Mattingly. Now, if you're going to tell me that Rickey was a selfish ***** that rubbed people the wrong way, and Mattingly was the professional and leader of that ballclub? Maybe that's true, it's not something that can be measured. I tend to think things that like are overstated in baseball, but it's an argument.
Posted by bad_luck on 8/24/2013 8:12:00 PM (view original):Posted by stinenavy on 8/24/2013 7:38:00 PM (view original):How is that not close? Mattingly also played 16 more games.And, even with Mattingly's additional 16 games, Henderson was over 3 wins better.
Posted by stinenavy on 8/24/2013 7:38:00 PM (view original):How is that not close? Mattingly also played 16 more games.
I think it's pretty clear the voters care about HR and RBI above everything else. If they need something more to make a case, they'll add clutch, leadership, etc. Not that Mattingly wasn't valuable, but 23 -5 - 0 other first place votes shows they didn't care about much else.
Posted by tecwrg on 8/25/2013 7:04:00 AM (view original):LOL @ bad_luck.
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/25/2013 10:34:00 AM (view original):Let's see...Mattingly topped Henderson in G, PA, AB, H, HR, RBI, BA, SLG and OPS. Henderson topped Mattingly in R, SB, BB, OBP. Yep, they only cared about HR and RBI. Obviously.
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 11:05:00 AM (view original):Posted by MikeT23 on 8/25/2013 10:34:00 AM (view original):Let's see...Mattingly topped Henderson in G, PA, AB, H, HR, RBI, BA, SLG and OPS. Henderson topped Mattingly in R, SB, BB, OBP. Yep, they only cared about HR and RBI. Obviously.Thanks for adding G, PA, and AB, Mike. Redundant, much? Rickey also led in SB%, R/G and times on base. Now it looks more even.
Posted by tecwrg on 8/25/2013 11:44:00 AM (view original):SB% is an MVP-worthy stat? Mattingly led the major leagues in total bases (by 20) and RBI's (also by 20).
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 2:48:00 PM (view original):You don't drive in runs when there's nobody on base. It goes both ways.
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