He got five first place votes.  Five out of thirty.  I guess 16.7% is "plenty" in your book.

I think the rationale is "value is diminished if you play for a losing team".

Posted by tecwrg on 11/16/2013 11:38:00 PM (view original):
He got five first place votes.  Five out of thirty.  I guess 16.7% is "plenty" in your book.

I think the rationale is "value is diminished if you play for a losing team".

Stupid. It's an individual award. Trout's/Cabrera's/Davis's value is the same regardless of the talent of the rest of the team.

Value can be circumstantial, dumbass.

Sometimes, yes. But when the question is "who is the most valuable player in the league," the only answer is the best player in the league. Even if the pitchers on his team were terrible.

I always think of the MVP award as going to "the person who most contributed to his team's success".

If a team doesn't have much success, then there's really not much value to be contributed.

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/15/2013 10:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/15/2013 9:49:00 PM (view original):
So your argument is that $25 is more valuable than $50 if you weren't going to hit your goal with $50?

Just as valuable, I suppose. Meaning...not valuable.

Why are you struggling so much to explain how the $50 was valuable to me after I showed you it wasn't valuable to me?

Posted by tecwrg on 11/17/2013 11:50:00 AM (view original):
I always think of the MVP award as going to "the person who most contributed to his team's success".

If a team doesn't have much success, then there's really not much value to be contributed.

Is that Cabrera, though? He was surrounded by stars. The Tigers likely make the playoffs with or without him.

Again, I don't have a problem if someone thinks Cabrera was the best player in the league. I disagree, but it was a lot closer this year than it was last year, where Trout was clearly better.

Arguing that Cabrera was more valuable simply because the Tigers surrounded him with better players is stupid.

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/17/2013 11:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/15/2013 10:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/15/2013 9:49:00 PM (view original):
So your argument is that $25 is more valuable than $50 if you weren't going to hit your goal with $50?

Just as valuable, I suppose. Meaning...not valuable.

Why are you struggling so much to explain how the $50 was valuable to me after I showed you it wasn't valuable to me?

$50 is still more valuable than $25, no matter how many times you insist it isn't.

Tigers made the playoffs by winning 93 games. If they win 90 they aren't a playoff team. You think the make the playoffs without Cabrera? Seriously?

Posted by bad_luck on 11/17/2013 12:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/17/2013 11:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/15/2013 10:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/15/2013 9:49:00 PM (view original):
So your argument is that $25 is more valuable than $50 if you weren't going to hit your goal with $50?

Just as valuable, I suppose. Meaning...not valuable.

Why are you struggling so much to explain how the $50 was valuable to me after I showed you it wasn't valuable to me?

$50 is still more valuable than $25, no matter how many times you insist it isn't.

Me: The $50 has no value to me in this situation.
BL: Yes it does.
Me: How?
BL: because it does.

Ok.

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/17/2013 12:02:00 PM (view original):
Tigers made the playoffs by winning 93 games. If they win 90 they aren't a playoff team. You think the make the playoffs without Cabrera? Seriously?

Your right, I forgot about Texas. I was thinking 87 would have got them in.

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/17/2013 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/17/2013 12:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/17/2013 11:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/15/2013 10:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/15/2013 9:49:00 PM (view original):
So your argument is that $25 is more valuable than $50 if you weren't going to hit your goal with $50?

Just as valuable, I suppose. Meaning...not valuable.

Why are you struggling so much to explain how the $50 was valuable to me after I showed you it wasn't valuable to me?

$50 is still more valuable than $25, no matter how many times you insist it isn't.

Me: The $50 has no value to me in this situation.
BL: Yes it does.
Me: How?
BL: because it does.

Ok.

But no amount of money has value to you in that situation. That doesn't change the fact that $50 is more valuable than $25.

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/15/2013 3:24:00 PM (view original):

OK, so money is a tool I use to get "stuff."  If you offer me differing amount of money so I can get "stuff," if the amounts of money you are offering me doesn't accomplish anything for me, it's not enough to get the "stuff" I need, does the differing amounts of money matter? Does it matter if you're offering me $50 or $25?
 

There is an amount of money that I'd find valuable. But you can't offer it to me.

And again, you're back to "it has no value to you, but it does." Can you explain further?

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/17/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/15/2013 3:24:00 PM (view original):

OK, so money is a tool I use to get "stuff."  If you offer me differing amount of money so I can get "stuff," if the amounts of money you are offering me doesn't accomplish anything for me, it's not enough to get the "stuff" I need, does the differing amounts of money matter? Does it matter if you're offering me $50 or $25?
 

There is an amount of money that I'd find valuable. But you can't offer it to me.

And again, you're back to "it has no value to you, but it does." Can you explain further?

Taking the analogy back to baseball, no one player, even the best ever, can take a bad team to the playoffs. So there is no single donation that has any value to you. But $50 is still more valuable overall than $25.

Let's change it from $50 cash to something else.

burnsy gives both me and bad_luck a $50 gift card to the local cigar shop.

I don't smoke, in fact I can't stand cigars.  But BL is a cigar aficianado.

Does that $50 gift card have the same value to both of us?