2015 baseball HOF ballot. Topic

Posted by The Taint on 2/12/2014 9:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:20:00 AM (view original):

Here you go.   He didn't get better by taking that "unhittable" first strike.


First Pitch

591

0.384

0.389

0.664

1.053

1-0 Count

586

0.406

0.409

0.691

1.100

2-0 Count

294

0.441

0.439

0.888

1.327

3-0 Count

349

0.409

0.963

0.682

1.645

0-1 Count

612

0.337

0.346

0.552

0.898

1-1 Count

699

0.350

0.358

0.543

0.901

2-1 Count

639

0.383

0.387

0.647

1.034

3-1 Count

747

0.407

0.736

0.707

1.443

0-2 Count

460

0.202

0.209

0.300

0.509

1-2 Count

984

0.219

0.225

0.339

0.563

2-2 Count

1171

0.252

0.256

0.396

0.653

Full Count

1454

0.262

0.533

0.433

0.966

His slugging is way better after 3-1. Would you rather have 1-0 or 3-1 Edgar based on what you posted here?
Do you not think 3-1 is a heavy hitter's count whereas 1-0 is basically even?
2/12/2014 9:39 AM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:25:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/11/2014 10:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2014 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Fortunately, you don't have to.  It's right there on the screen.   Unlike the half a dozen times I've said "Would you like to quote the post where i said that?" after he made some **** up.

Just so we can be clear (and I don't make anything up), do you (mike and/or tec) think Martinez's high OBP is a good thing or a bad thing?
Who had the better game?

3 for 4, 2 singles, a double and a pop-out
0 for 1, 3 walks and a pop-out
The first guy.

I answered your question. Now answer mine.

Is Martinez's high OBP a good thing or a bad thing?
So is it too much to ask the great EM to have a few more of the first and a few less of the 2nd?
What makes you think he could have?

What makes you think he couldn't have?

2/12/2014 9:40 AM
Because he was a great hitter.  Great hitters generally have superior plate discipline and pitch recognition.  Great hitters have a better ability to drive the ball on pitches they can hit hard and avoid swinging at the pitches they can't.  I'm assuming that he's like the average elite hitter, and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.  Assuming that he isn't like any other elite slugger, without any evidence, is retarded.  Are you retarded?  
2/12/2014 9:42 AM
Seems like great hitters could hit instead of walking.   Is it your contention that every walk he drew was because there were no pitches to hit?

That is retarded.  I don't have to ask if you wear a helmet around the house.  I'm positive you do. 
2/12/2014 9:44 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Seems like great hitters could hit instead of walking.   Is it your contention that every walk he drew was because there were no pitches to hit?

That is retarded.  I don't have to ask if you wear a helmet around the house.  I'm positive you do. 
"...there were no pitches to hit"

Hit HARD, more often than not.  I'm assuming the vast majority of walks he had was not because he was taking pitches he could hit hard.  Why wouldn't he swing at pitches he thought he could hit hard?
2/12/2014 9:45 AM
Oh, that's right.  You've already said every pitch he took must have been painting the black.   And toddcomm added that umpires conspired to call strikes on him when the count was in his favor.   Got it.
2/12/2014 9:46 AM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Seems like great hitters could hit instead of walking.   Is it your contention that every walk he drew was because there were no pitches to hit?

That is retarded.  I don't have to ask if you wear a helmet around the house.  I'm positive you do. 
"...there were no pitches to hit"

Hit HARD, more often than not.  I'm assuming the vast majority of walks he had was not because he was taking pitches he could hit hard.  Why wouldn't he swing at pitches he thought he could hit hard?
Any evidence that he only took pitches that he couldn't hit hard?    As in he didn't take strikes when he felt he could hit them hard?

Retarded much?
2/12/2014 9:46 AM
Can you explain how Edgar Martinez was too patient in spots where he should have been looking to drive in runs above all else, relative to other elite sluggers?  You haven't shown any evidence of that.
2/12/2014 9:47 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Seems like great hitters could hit instead of walking.   Is it your contention that every walk he drew was because there were no pitches to hit?

That is retarded.  I don't have to ask if you wear a helmet around the house.  I'm positive you do. 
"...there were no pitches to hit"

Hit HARD, more often than not.  I'm assuming the vast majority of walks he had was not because he was taking pitches he could hit hard.  Why wouldn't he swing at pitches he thought he could hit hard?
Any evidence that he only took pitches that he couldn't hit hard?    As in he didn't take strikes when he felt he could hit them hard?

Retarded much?
Great hitters generally have superior plate discipline and pitch recognition.  Great hitters have a better ability to drive the ball on pitches they can hit hard and avoid swinging at the pitches they can't.  I'm assuming that he's like the average elite hitter, and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.  Assuming that he isn't like any other elite slugger, without any evidence, is retarded.  Are you retarded?  
2/12/2014 9:48 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:25:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/11/2014 10:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2014 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Fortunately, you don't have to.  It's right there on the screen.   Unlike the half a dozen times I've said "Would you like to quote the post where i said that?" after he made some **** up.

Just so we can be clear (and I don't make anything up), do you (mike and/or tec) think Martinez's high OBP is a good thing or a bad thing?
Who had the better game?

3 for 4, 2 singles, a double and a pop-out
0 for 1, 3 walks and a pop-out
The first guy.

I answered your question. Now answer mine.

Is Martinez's high OBP a good thing or a bad thing?
So is it too much to ask the great EM to have a few more of the first and a few less of the 2nd?
Answer.

Good or bad?
2/12/2014 9:49 AM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Seems like great hitters could hit instead of walking.   Is it your contention that every walk he drew was because there were no pitches to hit?

That is retarded.  I don't have to ask if you wear a helmet around the house.  I'm positive you do. 
"...there were no pitches to hit"

Hit HARD, more often than not.  I'm assuming the vast majority of walks he had was not because he was taking pitches he could hit hard.  Why wouldn't he swing at pitches he thought he could hit hard?
Any evidence that he only took pitches that he couldn't hit hard?    As in he didn't take strikes when he felt he could hit them hard?

Retarded much?
Great hitters generally have superior plate discipline and pitch recognition.  Great hitters have a better ability to drive the ball on pitches they can hit hard and avoid swinging at the pitches they can't.  I'm assuming that he's like the average elite hitter, and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.  Assuming that he isn't like any other elite slugger, without any evidence, is retarded.  Are you retarded?  
He struck out a lot.  Were all those swinging strikeouts on unhittable pitches?   Or is it even remotely possible that he took some good pitches?
2/12/2014 11:49 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Seems like great hitters could hit instead of walking.   Is it your contention that every walk he drew was because there were no pitches to hit?

That is retarded.  I don't have to ask if you wear a helmet around the house.  I'm positive you do. 
"...there were no pitches to hit"

Hit HARD, more often than not.  I'm assuming the vast majority of walks he had was not because he was taking pitches he could hit hard.  Why wouldn't he swing at pitches he thought he could hit hard?
Any evidence that he only took pitches that he couldn't hit hard?    As in he didn't take strikes when he felt he could hit them hard?

Retarded much?
Great hitters generally have superior plate discipline and pitch recognition.  Great hitters have a better ability to drive the ball on pitches they can hit hard and avoid swinging at the pitches they can't.  I'm assuming that he's like the average elite hitter, and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.  Assuming that he isn't like any other elite slugger, without any evidence, is retarded.  Are you retarded?  
He struck out a lot.  Were all those swinging strikeouts on unhittable pitches?   Or is it even remotely possible that he took some good pitches?
Yes, it's safe to assume that at least 1 of the thousands of pitches he saw was a pitch he could have hit hard.  In the same way that it's safe to assume that as an elite hitter, he swung at most pitches that he could hit hard, and took the ones he couldn't, at a better rate than the average hitter.  Unless you have evidence that states otherwise?
2/12/2014 12:17 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:47:00 AM (view original):
Can you explain how Edgar Martinez was too patient in spots where he should have been looking to drive in runs above all else, relative to other elite sluggers?  You haven't shown any evidence of that.
You forgot about this. You know, your original argument.
2/12/2014 12:17 PM
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
2/12/2014 12:22 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 9:49:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:25:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/11/2014 10:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2014 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Fortunately, you don't have to.  It's right there on the screen.   Unlike the half a dozen times I've said "Would you like to quote the post where i said that?" after he made some **** up.

Just so we can be clear (and I don't make anything up), do you (mike and/or tec) think Martinez's high OBP is a good thing or a bad thing?
Who had the better game?

3 for 4, 2 singles, a double and a pop-out
0 for 1, 3 walks and a pop-out
The first guy.

I answered your question. Now answer mine.

Is Martinez's high OBP a good thing or a bad thing?
So is it too much to ask the great EM to have a few more of the first and a few less of the 2nd?
Answer.

Good or bad?
Not going to answer?

I wonder why*.



*not really. I know exactly why.
2/12/2014 1:06 PM
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