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tecwrg
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Tom Seaver had troubles with Tommy Hutton throughout his career.

Does that boost Tommy Hutton's HOF creds?
1/6/2015 10:06 PM
MikeT23
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No, I'll listen to the 73% who said "Yeah, not a HOFer" not some old dipshit in China whose username sounds like a racehorse.

1/6/2015 10:06 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/6/2015 9:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 8:41:00 PM (view original):
Well that sure is a convincing counter argument. I'll take it into consideration.
Well, it's more accurate than saying a reliever with a 1.559 WHIP had a "slightly below average" season.
Is it? I thought you had a problem with small sample sizes?
1/6/2015 10:08 PM
bad_luck
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His adjusted ERA was 8 worse than league average for that one 75 inning season. Slightly below average.
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/6/2015 10:06:00 PM (view original):
Tom Seaver had troubles with Tommy Hutton throughout his career.

Does that boost Tommy Hutton's HOF creds?
context is hard for you. I get that.
1/6/2015 10:29 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2015 10:06:00 PM (view original):

No, I'll listen to the 73% who said "Yeah, not a HOFer" not some old dipshit in China whose username sounds like a racehorse.

MikeT...you really should invest in some reading comprehension skills. I didn't say anything. Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, and Mariano Rivera did. Undoubtedly you think you know baseball better than they do. Your resort to ad hominem attacks indicates that you know you are losing the argument.



1/6/2015 10:36 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:19:00 PM (view original):
His adjusted ERA was 8 worse than league average for that one 75 inning season. Slightly below average.
ERA. Relief pitcher. Connect the dots.

Being too stubborn to admit you're wrong is one thing. Hanging on to an incredibly poor argument out of stubbornness is a whole other level of stupid.

Good job.
1/6/2015 10:39 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/6/2015 10:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:19:00 PM (view original):
His adjusted ERA was 8 worse than league average for that one 75 inning season. Slightly below average.
ERA. Relief pitcher. Connect the dots.

Being too stubborn to admit you're wrong is one thing. Hanging on to an incredibly poor argument out of stubbornness is a whole other level of stupid.

Good job.
Please connect them for me, I'm interested in hearing why ERA isn't acceptable.
1/6/2015 10:56 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/6/2015 10:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:19:00 PM (view original):
His adjusted ERA was 8 worse than league average for that one 75 inning season. Slightly below average.
ERA. Relief pitcher. Connect the dots.

Being too stubborn to admit you're wrong is one thing. Hanging on to an incredibly poor argument out of stubbornness is a whole other level of stupid.

Good job.
Please connect them for me, I'm interested in hearing why ERA isn't acceptable.
Here. I'll let your hero explain it to you for me.

http://research.sabr.org/journals/relief-pitchers-era-advantage
1/7/2015 8:21 AM (edited)
MikeT23
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Posted by seamar_116 on 1/6/2015 10:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2015 10:06:00 PM (view original):

No, I'll listen to the 73% who said "Yeah, not a HOFer" not some old dipshit in China whose username sounds like a racehorse.

MikeT...you really should invest in some reading comprehension skills. I didn't say anything. Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, and Mariano Rivera did. Undoubtedly you think you know baseball better than they do. Your resort to ad hominem attacks indicates that you know you are losing the argument.



I never had any problems getting Martinez out.    As I'm sure countless others didn't either.

Baseball doesn't have Richard Shermans.     Everybody is the "toughest out I ever faced" or "I was very fortunate against him".  
1/7/2015 7:37 AM
bad_luck
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/7/2015 8:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/6/2015 10:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:19:00 PM (view original):
His adjusted ERA was 8 worse than league average for that one 75 inning season. Slightly below average.
ERA. Relief pitcher. Connect the dots.

Being too stubborn to admit you're wrong is one thing. Hanging on to an incredibly poor argument out of stubbornness is a whole other level of stupid.

Good job.
Please connect them for me, I'm interested in hearing why ERA isn't acceptable.
Here. I'll let your hero explain it to you for me.

http://research.sabr.org/journals/relief-pitchers-era-advantage
There it is.

Don't you think that's evidence that it's easier to be a relief pitcher than a starting pitcher?
1/7/2015 8:58 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2015 7:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by seamar_116 on 1/6/2015 10:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2015 10:06:00 PM (view original):

No, I'll listen to the 73% who said "Yeah, not a HOFer" not some old dipshit in China whose username sounds like a racehorse.

MikeT...you really should invest in some reading comprehension skills. I didn't say anything. Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, and Mariano Rivera did. Undoubtedly you think you know baseball better than they do. Your resort to ad hominem attacks indicates that you know you are losing the argument.



I never had any problems getting Martinez out.    As I'm sure countless others didn't either.

Baseball doesn't have Richard Shermans.     Everybody is the "toughest out I ever faced" or "I was very fortunate against him".  
I read Richard Simmons at first. Very different person.
1/7/2015 10:30 AM
MikeT23
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Baseball doesn't have a Richard Simmons either.    At least I don't think it does.
1/7/2015 11:18 AM
tecwrg
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Posted by bad_luck on 1/7/2015 8:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/7/2015 8:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/6/2015 10:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/6/2015 10:19:00 PM (view original):
His adjusted ERA was 8 worse than league average for that one 75 inning season. Slightly below average.
ERA. Relief pitcher. Connect the dots.

Being too stubborn to admit you're wrong is one thing. Hanging on to an incredibly poor argument out of stubbornness is a whole other level of stupid.

Good job.
Please connect them for me, I'm interested in hearing why ERA isn't acceptable.
Here. I'll let your hero explain it to you for me.

http://research.sabr.org/journals/relief-pitchers-era-advantage
There it is.

Don't you think that's evidence that it's easier to be a relief pitcher than a starting pitcher?
WTF?
1/7/2015 11:26 AM
bad_luck
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Think it through.

Put aside Schilling for the moment (we can come back to that one 75 inning season later, if you want). Put aside your rage inducing hatred of me.

Look at the average ERAs for starters and a relievers for the last 20 years. Add your 0.20 adjustment to the relievers. The average starters' ERAs are still as high or higher in every season but two. 

See:






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