Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2016 1:45:00 PM (view original):
So you disagree with it. Does that make you right and the rest of the world wrong? Are you that conceited?

For someone that runs around here calling other people stupid, you sure get a large stick up your but anytime someone else states their opinion.

You seem to disagree with the argument that pitcher win/loss is useless. Are you right?

I would think that it's up to others to decide who's right and who's wrong.

If more people feel that knowing a starting pitchers W/L record can be useful at a broad level than those who feel (such as you) that it is a completely useless stat, then which "side" would you say is "right"?

I would say that it isn't a popularity contest. So far, you've given no use for pitcher w/l, so maybe you should start there.

I wonder if w/l was called something different you'd still think the stat had value. Like if the pitcher leaves after 5 with his team winning, he gets credit for an "Ahead." And if he leaves before 5 or after 5 with the team losing, he gets credit for a "Behind."

Does 304 Aheads Tom Glavine still make the Hall? I'd guess no but maybe you can tell me what you think.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 2:53:00 PM (view original):
I would say that it isn't a popularity contest. So far, you've given no use for pitcher w/l, so maybe you should start there.

So if 99 people found knowing a starting pitcher's W/L record was useful, and 1 person (you) did not, you would dismiss their opinions as being wrong?

A bit full of yourself, aren't you?

I don't think that's actually the case, though. I'd bet, if we were able to poll MLB GMs and ask do you use P W/L in your decision making, the majority would say no.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/apWins_career.shtml

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:09:00 PM (view original):
I don't think that's actually the case, though. I'd bet, if we were able to poll MLB GMs and ask do you use P W/L in your decision making, the majority would say no.

I'm sorry. When did we start discussing how MLB GM's decision making processes worked?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2016 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:09:00 PM (view original):
I don't think that's actually the case, though. I'd bet, if we were able to poll MLB GMs and ask do you use P W/L in your decision making, the majority would say no.

I'm sorry. When did we start discussing how MLB GM's decision making processes worked?

If the stat is useful, shouldn't MLB teams use it?

So wait, are we arguing over whether wins matter?

Posted by d_rock97 on 5/30/2016 3:37:00 PM (view original):
So wait, are we arguing over whether wins matter?

Bl feels that he cannot tell if a starting pitcher who went 21-3 for a season is better or worse than a starting pitcher who went 2-17.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2016 3:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by d_rock97 on 5/30/2016 3:37:00 PM (view original):
So wait, are we arguing over whether wins matter?

Bl feels that he cannot tell if a starting pitcher who went 21-3 for a season is better or worse than a starting pitcher who went 2-17.

If comparing a 21-3 pitcher with a 2-17 pitcher is the extent of the usefulness of w/l, then I'm confident in my initial statement that the stat is useless.

He also seems confused by the phenomenon that good pitchers tend to have better W/L records than poor pitchers.

I mean, he's really stumped by that one.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2016 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:09:00 PM (view original):
I don't think that's actually the case, though. I'd bet, if we were able to poll MLB GMs and ask do you use P W/L in your decision making, the majority would say no.

I'm sorry. When did we start discussing how MLB GM's decision making processes worked?

If the stat is useful, shouldn't MLB teams use it?

Are you going to answer this?