Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2016 12:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sjpoker on 9/8/2016 12:44:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2016 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sjpoker on 9/8/2016 12:29:00 PM (view original):
The problem is you put too much faith in WAR. Whenever there seems to be a discussion about this player or that player the first thing we see from BL is 'WAR'. WAR is imperfect enough at determining who good a player performed. It doesn't tell us how good the player actually is at any particular moment. Or the player's role on any one team. Add to that it doesn't take into account things that are tough to measure like game situations, timing, etc.
If a stat is imperfect at determining performance, how can it really accurately determine ability or future production? It can't. WAR as a one-stop-shop of who is better than who is... meh.
No stat tells you:
how good the player is at any given moment
the player's role on any one team
game situations
ability or future performance
And what stat is perfect at determining performance?
Yup, so your arguments about who is better than who based primarily on WAR are flawed at best. When you throw WAR in our faces (among other exotic stats) you often take the stance that your arguments are irrefutable. I suspect his is because you know most of us won't really spend the time to dig into whether your argument is valid, because we really have little interest in finding out how these exotic stats really work. When you - do - in fact get challenged, you resort to deflection, misdirection, hyperfocusing on the minutia, or anger.
I know you disagree with those statements. So if any of the others would like to come to your defense, I welcome them to do so.
Arguments about who is better than who rely on stats because that's all we really have. Past production.
Other than WAR, most of the time I use triple slash or OPS+. Pretty basic stats that everyone here understands.
Wrong. If you watch the game, understand its nuances, the context of when events occur, then you can add that to analyzing a player. Perhaps it makes it tougher when you are trying to compare Joe Tinker to Derek Jeter, because you might not have a lot of secondary information about Joe Tinker. But comparing two contemporary players - does - allow that kind of insight.
A players true worth or talent is not solely based on his statistics. So arguments about who is better than who can not and should not rely only on stats unless that is all you have.