Posted by stinenavy on 1/15/2012 8:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 1/15/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):What's the point of posting Steve Young's stats and mentioning that Elway had a poor first season? Spare me for believing that your point was to try and say that because they were poor, that Tebow has a chance.
Posted by stinenavy on 1/15/2012 3:33:00 PM (view original):How am I looking for the best case scenario.
He had a passing and rushing TD in the first SD game. My mistake, 6 instead of 7. So a total of 17 passing TD and 8 rushing in 16 starts.
It makes you look foolish to keep looking for the absolute best case scenarios and be like "SEE ELWAY AND YOUNG SUCKED TOO WHY CAN'T TEBOW BE JUST LIKE THEM!?!?!?
Being realistic, I think a better comparison may be Kordell Stewart, but Tebow has a ways to go to be as good as a passer.
You're saying "Tebow will NEVER get better"...I'm saying "Tebow CAN get better, and here's evidence." I'm not guaranteeing anything - you are. Do you see the difference?
The Tebow led offense scored 18.7 PPG this season. That's awful. I agree that he was the QB of a team that made the playoffs, but their crazy good record in close games is not something that is sustainable, not because Tebow did it, but because there's 50 years of data saying that it's not sustainable.
I never said "Tebow will NEVER get better". So I'm not sure who you're trying to quote. I just said that he's not going to magically become a good passer. Even if he makes it to 53% or whatever, that's still untolerable.
Tebow's going to get another season to show if he's capable of being a legit starting QB, but what this means is Denver will be in the Matt Barkley sweepstakes.
Again, do you read what you write? "Magically become a good passer".
Forget Tebow - speaking totally in general, athletes in EVERY SINGLE SPORT progress. Do all of them progress? No. But there are very few players who peak in their first year. They get better with time, reps, experience, etc. If a guys slugs 40 HR in AAA in baseball - do you expect him to hit 40 in his first ML season? If he comes up and hits 15-20 his first season, are people gonna say "man, this guy sucks...he'll never hit for consistent power. He hit 20 fewer than in AAA last season!"? There are very few athletes whose numbers don't drop when they go up a level - it's a new game, a faster game, and adjustments are required. A lot of guys make those adjustments and get better. Will Tebow? I think so, but only time will tell. The point is, you can't say "he had a bad first season as a starting QB - he's always gonna suck."
You want to talk about my Tebow "love", but you're totally ignoring your completely irrational argument, insinuating that it takes "magic" for a player to improve as their career progresses. It happens all the time, and that's what the Young, Elway, Cunningham, McNabb, etc. examples are pointing out. I don't think Tebow will be as good as Elway or Young - but I do believe he'll improve as a passer, enough to keep his team competitive on a regular basis, especially in Fox's system.