Posted by daveymac on 7/10/2012 3:17:00 AM (view original):
He forgets to mention that two of these trades are with his rl brother whom has had his account previously. Also the Pete Rose trade was done AFTER they knew where they were picking so it was Pete Rose for Dave McNally and Don McMahon. There was never any question who the people would be.
Also in the Hank Aaron trade the fist rounder will be bottom 4 and the 2nd rounder is a huge trade up for him probably 10+ spots.
Only the Aaron trade was with me, and I stopped using the chargingryno account when I gave it to my brother 6+ years ago.
This is what I posted in the league trade thread when this trade was first questioned as if I was being ripped off by trading away Aaron (additional commentary in brackets):
"I'm in four different progressives that have gone through the 1961-1965 seasons. I've owned Conigliaro in three of them. My ballparks in those three were Crosley, Cleveland, and Wrigley, so in this league, Fenway would make four.
Over the next 6 seasons Aaron puts up seasons that range between 120-160 RC in those 4 progressives. Over that same span Conigliaro puts up seasons that range from 75-130. Aaron then puts up numbers over the four following that range from 75-110 while Conigliaro is worthless.
So, during the 6 overlapping years I only need to make up 30-45 RC per season, which is very easy to do with just the 2nd round pick alone, which (according to the projected value of the pick and the normal 1965 draft) should net me a player such as: Duke Sims, Tito Fuentes, Curt Blefary, or Horace Clarke. Then, as for the 4 remaining years where Aaron is putting up good numbers while Tony C is done (and my late 2nd rounder is also done providing value), the mid-late 1st round pick I got will have provided value in the form of Tony Perez, Larry Dierker, Rico Petrocelli, or Paul Blair that in peak value exceeds Aaron for a couple of seasons and provides extended average-above average value beyond the 6 years of Tony C.
I'd trade Aaron and Mikkeson [the player my brother used the '64 2nd I sent him as part of the deal] for Conigliaro, Petrocelli, and Sims any day [On the worst end of the picks, it could easily be better]... I'm coming out a good 30-60 RC per season during the relevant portion of their careers and we come out about even over the full careers of everyone involved. I come out ahead overall in the short term and he comes out ahead in the long term. It's a pretty solid trade. Now, if one of these two teams [I get the better of chargingryno's two first round picks] should actually falter and net me a decent pick, then I come out way ahead.
Not to mention I have another 1st and two more 2nds in this deep draft. This is the year of quick rebuilding if there ever was one. I should be able to get two franchise players and three solid players to complement my current core just in this one draft. I think I win
If the draft were today it would be the 12th pick in the first round, but three teams are within three games of the better pick, so it could easily end up as the 9th pick over the remaining 80 games until the draft order is determined. There's also a chance (albeit, a slim one) the team falters and it drops below those teams within 7-8 games and it ends up as the 5th overall pick.